Why were the Valvestate amps discontinued?

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  1. EADGBE

    EADGBE Well-Known Member

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    Didn't people like how they sound?
     
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    12barjunkie Well-Known Member

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    They didn't sell enough at full retail price to justify making them anymore. That would be my guess, anyway. I had one for ten years and played the hell out of it. They take some tweaking, maybe some help from pedals, eq, etc, but they're not bad amps at all IMO.
     
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    sullimd Well-Known Member

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    I think its just that companies retire products and come out with new designs. I think the Valvestates sold fairly well. They were around a long time. Nothing wrong with them.
     
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    The MG's and the AVT's replaced them.
     
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    ???

    I have a Valvestate, and it's an AVT. What am I missing?
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    its abit like buying a Ferrari hatch back
     
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    Avt's just couldnt compete with other similar priced amps imo.
    Plus Marshall was investing in cheaper tube amps netting equivalent $$$.
     
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    I had a 100w half stack (about 1994 I think) and liked it a lot, but had to sell it about 10 years ago due to a change in marital status - back to one income. I was a bit disappointed about a year ago when I was looking for another Marshall that they were no longer made. I liked the sound and replacing a single preamp tube wasn't too difficult or expensive. I agree that it must have been a financial decision - companies that don't operate on a profit motive don't exist for long. I bought an MG30cfx a couple of months ago and am quite happy with it. Although it has more features, I don't think it has quite the same sound that I remember. Of course that could be the nostalgia of memory.
     
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    A SS amp with supposedly a tube in the preamp that you couldn't even be sure really existed. The lead channel was awful. I had one in high school and sold it for a Laney AOR.
     
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    The original 8000 series Valvestates were phenomenal hybrid amps and sounded almost exactly like a hot rodded jcm800 with more versatility, but the clean channel was just bad. The second "VS" series incorporated the 12ax7 in the clean channel which sounded MUCH better, only the distortion channel was changed, it had more compressed sounding, modern overdrive, much worse sounding than the 8000's. Then came the AVT series which just sounded like cheap SS amp, no better than the MG's of the era. Hence, Marshall shot itself in the foot again. I've still got 2 of the original 8100 heads, probably THE best stock Marshall ever produced for heavy metal tones. Even better than my KK 800 due to it's added gain, contour control, and effects loop. Pros still use those amps for recording. One of Marshall's best sleeper amps ever. I get offers to buy mine all the time when my buddies play through them. :hbang:
     
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    I have an 8240 I cant seem to part with even though I dont play it anymore. It did me well for quite a while.
     
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    first generation were the best (8080 8100 ). AVT are junk with effects on board, bees in a can.
     
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    Had the 8080 rackmount poweramp , the 1x12 80watt combo , and the 100w 8100 head. I really liked them all.
     
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    I like my vs265r, it is an amp that I have tried to replace many times over the last 20 years but I always end up going right back to it.
     
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    That must have been one from the transition phase. When I bought mine it was just an AVT. They didn't make Valvestates anymore.
     
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    I wish I had never sold my 1994 model 8080. It sounded great and was loud enough for about 80% of the venues I played in.
     
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    Everyone that ever tried my 8100 said that thing sounds mean. :D
     
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    I regret selling my 8100. I later got a VS102 combo. I sold that as well, but I don't miss it. Not the same amp.
     
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    The Marshall Mode 4 is a Valve State.

    The concept lives on, and it's sounding good.
     
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    Years back, while my JCM900 2x12 50w tube combo was being re-tubed, a friend lent me his then new 1995 Valvestate 2x12 for 2 weeks, and it was harsh. Sounded ok clean, but the gain and distortion was AWFUL as far as hurting your ears when playing rock with any volume that competes with live drums. Absolute ice picks to the ears. When I finally got my JCM900 tube amp back, it was such a huge relief to my ears, smooth, yet heavy, and didn't hurt my ears or have painful honk like the Valvestate when cranked. What a difference, I'll never forget how instantly clear it was why people love tube Marshalls, way easier on the ears, better crunch, note bloom is way better, just more musical in every way.
     
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