Which kit to start with?

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  1. jchrisf

    jchrisf Well-Known Member

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    I've been studying and learning about modding/building amps. I think building a kit with good instructions would be a wise thing to do now. It seems from everything I have researched that the 5F1 kit would be the best amp to start with but before I order one.. I'm not really a Fender amp guy. Is there something similar (easiest to build, low part count and has good instructions available) with more of a Marshall tone? Or can the 5F1 be modified to sound more Marshall-ish?

    What do you pros suggest for my first build?
     
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    South Park Well-Known Member

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    High octane tube amp is a good first build. Single ended high gain.el84 driver
     
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    https://el34world.com/schematics.htm#Hoffman_5F1_Tweed_Champ
    https://hoffmanamps.com/MyStore/per...r&thispage=Amp_5F1Parts.htm&ORDER_ID=!ORDERID!

    https://www.mojotone.com/kits/TweedAmpKits_x/Test-Tweed-Champ-Amp-Kit
     
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    The larger amps based on Marshall are more complicated.
    Maybe you want to start with a Fender kit and try not to do everything on the first build, but rather learn some basic assembly and soldering skills.
     
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    Can you use a soldering iron.
     
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    Exactly.
    But a journey of 1000 miles begins with one single step.
    I hope he does learn it, and I hope he doesn't give up.
     
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    If he's building a kit based on a turret board he shouldn't have too much trouble provided he doesn't attempt this with a shitty soldering pencil.
     
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    I just found this today right after I posted here. Have you built it? These amps sound pretty good but I couldn't figure out where to buy the kit. How much is it?
     
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    Yeah, I'd like to start with something simple first to figure things out a little more and then maybe a Ceriatone 2202 kit.
     
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    I took an electronics class in college and loved it. Did a lot of soldering there and was pretty good but it has been awhile. I've also soldered guitar electronics.
     
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    Thinking about getting a Hakko adjustable solder gun.
     
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    Variable temp and the ability to use different tips.
     
  17. Madfinger

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    I've been thinking of building one myself. Checking out the Mojotone kits the 5E3 Delux doesn't look much more complicated than the 5F1 Camp and you can get the turret boards assembled if you want.
    The Rob Robinette web site https://robrobinette.com/Amp_Stuff.htm provides a lot of mods for 5E3 circuits & others if you want to check it out he seems to be all over amp builds & mods.
    Prob. order one once I find a cheap 1×12 or 2x10 birch or pine amp that will suit so I can gut the chassis.
     
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    Nobody's mentioned it, but many/most of the Tweeds sound more "Marshall-ish" than sounding like the later (Black/Silver Face) Fenders. The farther you get into them you start to realize that much of the difference from one model to the next is caused by different versions of negative feedback/presence circuits and the use of various "local" feedback layouts. For example, compare the schematics of the 5E7 Bandmaster, 5F4 Super and 5E5-A Pro. They're identical except for a couple resistors. Make sure you pay attention to the letter after the dash, as it can make a HUGE difference as in the 5E5 & the 5E5-A. Some differences are small/subtle and others, not so much! Here's a link to most of the earlier Fender schematics and layouts for your perusal:

    https://vintagefenderamprepair.com/pages/library-schematics-layouts

    And FWIW, it's very cool that you want to get your feet wet in amp building. It's a "VERY" addictive passtime that is easy to become extremely passionate about! Its fun to ponder building an amp configuration that's never been m"offically/commercially" done. For example, I've determined that I really like thekinda ragged, slightly imblanced cathodyne phase inverter and cathode biased 6V6 power amp of the 5E3 Deluxe, but may prefer a more elaborate preamp of a Pro, BandMaster or Twin, but don't want to lose the magic of the Deluxe, but want to simply "add" to it!

    Do yourself the great service of lots of research before diving in.

    Have Fun<Be Safe!
    Gene
     
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    I like the way it has password protection to deter unauthorized soldering.
     
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