Cool story. As usual.I'm willing to wager that you can't put a fake Gibson past me unless it is made by a master craftsman who knows the intricacies and details that are necessary to make it convincing to an expert appraiser. Certainly I would not expect to be fooled by any mass-produced replica.
I myself COULD make a forgery that would pass most inspections, or so I believe, but my level of interest in doing that is exactly zero. And I don't want to work that hard and spend that much money to get all original hardware and electronics parts required to build out the replicated wood guitar components to make it a complete copy.
As for mahogany types, I've used some African mahogany (often named Khaya) and it's good stuff. I have no issues with it. It's what I usually use, as a matter of fact. I can see nothing about it that makes it undesirable.
I've worked with Honduran, too. Of course it's nice stuff. I have a 40 year old Honduran blank I'm saving for something more special than most of my work.
Speaking of wood, 2 different employees at 2 of my dealers have mentioned that lower end flame Epi LPs actually use a photo, that's right a photo, of flame maple laminated onto the maple veneer yo make it appear flamed.
I don't think this is a controversial subject. If you want a Gibson and don't want to pay that amount yet for several years, then you should probably get the Epiphone version, which will pretty much get you the sound you want at a 1/4 of the price. Epiphone uses some different quality components and materials. You will probably find a luthier needs to make some adjustments for you with the Epiphone to make it as best as it can be. That doesn't mean Gibson's don't need the same treatment though, however you do expect higher quality control, just maybe not that much higher except when you start paying custom prices. Are Epiphone worse? Not 3/4 worse. They win NAMM all the time. This tells you that the price jump is more branding and the reputation behind these guitars. However, it's the same across the board with nearly everything in guitar. Double the cost doesn't mean double the quality, double the tone, double your musical experience, or double anything. It's mostly what the market will pay for stuff, which is basically off the walls these days not to mention inflation.
I would recommend Epiphone in a heartbeat to anyone with a budget that is around mid-range 3 figures.
To those that ask this question may I refer them to a local shop that has Epi's in stock along with Gibson USA guitars and Gibson Custom Guitar's as the R series . There is an ocean of difference . Please don't believe me as listen with your ears and trust your ears and the proof is there and cannot be missed .
I like the African Mahogany, and have used it in a few builds. It's usually a bit warmer sounding than the S. American species, it's usually lighter weight, and it looks great with the usual striping of the grain patterns.
Okay I can do that and will say that with up graded electronics both in wiring harness and pickups and tuning gears and maybe an ABR-1 bridge (long shot if really needed ) you should be good to go and in the ballpark with Gibson USA guitars . How's that for a answer ? I remember back in the mid 90's there was a friends son that got into guitar and his pop my friend got him an Epi Les Paul Custom and both fit and finish were spot on and she played nice and sounded decent . I have no idea where she was built at the time . I always thought that the Epi's were good budget/student/ beginners models.apples and oranges. your comparing a stock model vs a CS model.
leave CS models out of this discussion guy. just go for normal every damn day off the freakin shelf guitars.
but if ya do just have to go CS because Epi is so far up Gibsons ass on quality and playability, lets not
forget Epi just dropped a CS of their own as well also MIA.
Is this the same as Okoume? I've seen it referred to as African Mahogany but only sparingly so I question whether or not it's the same thing.
Not to be a stick in the mud but , you do know Gibson has owned Epiphone since they purchased them in 1957 . They are not competing against each other as Epiphone is a division of Gibson .i do not want to get involved here.........but OK I WILL.
i see a lot of you comparing CS to off the shelf products.
ooooof course you will. R9, R1000'S whatever.
lets stick to the basics and try to give the precieved "underdog"
a fair fight here shall we?
lets look back at 15 yrs of gibson vs epi.
who has had the much better reputation as a company?
who hasnt skipped quality to get out quantity?
whos product has remained stable over this period? whos not had a shit ton of quality control issues?
which one has steadily improved yr after yr? who keeps winning the Namm shows?
which one has proven to be more durable short term and long term? which product has
had more repair issues under their belts? which product has treated their dealers with better respect and conditions?
which one has had more consistant product straight off the shelf and from one store to the next?
a dare ask which one is most likely putting the brakes on the other because the compitition is getting to damn close?
with no disrespect to anyone but i highly doubt that there is any one on here, save maybe two, that can look at a piece
of coated wood, say mahogany, and by coated i mean stained at the very least, and can tell anybody what type or where it came from. and i continue to say i bet cant tell the difference tone wise either to say this is this type or that, came from here or there. you know only because of the inspection sheets listed on the web.
most epi and gibsons are using the same hardware now too. (on the upper mid and higher end epi's)
thats like tasting mashed potato's and telling us what type of potato its made from and what part of the world
it was grown in. or tasting a banana and doing the same. so lets keep the comparing to a more equal playing field.
your choice is your choice and thats just the way it is, nobody can fault you in ANY way for that.
but before you start saying you like one over the other because of where the mahogany came from
take that BS somewhere else. i throw the red flag on that call. both companies make good off the shelf guitars.
one company is on the rise in a major way while the other company is playin catch up with itself from almost certain disater. and thank God for that bit of news going to both of them. and please, dont for 1 second try that "one has better craftsmen than the other" bs either. anybody knows budget plays the biggest role in the craftsmanship.
to think anything else, your kung-fu is weak.
Not to be a stick in the mud but , you do know Gibson has owned Epiphone since they purchased them in 1957 . They are not competing against each other as Epiphone is a division of Gibson .