What OD for JCM 800, and how to a driven amp with a boost for solo

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Boss SD-1 or Boss SD-1 Waza

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  1. Boss SD-1

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  2. Boss SD-1 WAZA

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  1. ricksdisconnected

    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    all nice pedals though indeed
     
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    FleshOnGear Well-Known Member

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    I agree with pedecamp. If you can't try them all, or if you can only take a couple at a time, go with the Tubescreamer and the RAT. If you're asking what to buy, the Boss SD-1 is a great choice. Like others have said, you're likely not going to get a volume boost out of your JCM800 unless you install a FX loop and put a clean boost in it, or use a re-amping loadbox or attenuator with footswitchable level.
     
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    jeffb Well-Known Member

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    Not if you know how to use them.

    Gary Moore in his heyday- 2203s and a DS1 on the floor. Jump to 42 seconds.

     
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  4. Mathias Karlsson

    Mathias Karlsson New Member

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    Do you recommend the original DS-1 or the DS-1 Waza?
     
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    Mathias Karlsson New Member

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    And what if i use a EQ but that is always on with a 5-10db cut until i need a boost and the turn it off?

    Or would that suck out the signal to the amp?
     
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    fitz288 Well-Known Yinzer Silver Supporting Member

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    SD-1 (Super Overdrive), not DS-1 (Distortion).
    I have the SD-1 and it will do the clean boost and/or a nice mid gain crunch on my O20H.
    Never tried the Waza variant, so I'm not sure of what it's capable of.
    I've also never tried a tubes creamer, but as usual, because I keep reading about it here, I ordered a clone (Demon-Fx) on Friday and should have it in about a week...
     
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    pedecamp Well-Known Member

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    It will work but your tone will suffer.

    How many watts is your amp 50 or 100?
     
  8. Mathias Karlsson

    Mathias Karlsson New Member

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    Haha sorry my bad i always get confused with boss pedal names. Of course i was talkong about the SD-1 :p

    Maybe i should try to get my hands on a SD-1 to try it. So many that talk about it.
    I want it as a ”always on” pedal for rythm guitar. So if it can push the amp, give some more distortion, well then i’m happy.
    But i am going to try the Tubescreamer and the rat tomorrow to see how it feels.
     
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    Mathias Karlsson New Member

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    It’s a 50watt
    JCM 800 Model 2204 i think
     
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    fitz288 Well-Known Yinzer Silver Supporting Member

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    The SD-1 is relatively inexpensive at $50 ($35-ish used).
    I've heard the SD-1 and Tube Screamer are very similar as a clean boost.
    Here's a recent thread by @Guitarjon comparing the two on a DSL50.
    DSL50, to boost or not to boost? | MarshallForum.com
    I do have a Rat (on loan to my son).
    Completely different tone, and not sure how/if it even works as a clean boost.
     
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    fitz288 Well-Known Yinzer Silver Supporting Member

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    LOL, just spotted my typo.
    I'm leaving it that way.....
     
  12. Mathias Karlsson

    Mathias Karlsson New Member

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    I think you can use it as a boost. Distortion maybe at 7-8 o’clock just before pedal distortion. Tone around 11? And crank the volume
     
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    pedecamp Well-Known Member

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    Perfect! Get a Bad Cat Unleash. This is your solution, read up on it if you're not familiar.

    You wont need any od pedals, you'll be able to crank the amp while controling volume and get plenty of gain. Plus 2 volumes. And an effects loop if you need it.
     
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    houseofrock Well-Known Member

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    I would use an eq for your boost. Off, the signal goes straight into your amp. Your rhythm sound. On, you can boost the signal a little and also adjust the EQ so it cuts through the mix. Your lead sound.
    Just so we know what sound you are looking for what bands are you calling punk.
    Through the decades the term "punk" has been used to call many bands that are not truly punk.
    Example: Sex Pistols, Fear, Dead Kennedy's, Ramones are what I call punk.
    Green Day, Blink 182 are not. That I would call (punk) pop.
     
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    WellBurnTheSky Well-Known Member

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    How could I forget about him ? But yeah, stating "a DS-1 won't sound good" as if it was an established fact is massively wrong.
    Hell, at one point Reb Beach was using a Metal Zone as his boost, and sounded amazing. Lots of players were using a rack parametric EQ (the fabled Furman PQ3) as their boost at one point and sounding incredible.
    It's all so rig and player dependent that pretty much anything can be made to work. It's art, not science nor sports.
     
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  16. TheToneDig

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    You play punk so the answer is whatever pedal you can steal more easily. Same for guitar and amp.

    jking'

    The Boss SD-1 is the go-to OD for the JCM800 and used as a boost.

    For your 2nd pedal, don't bother with another OD. Get an EQ instead. Boost or subtract your frequencies. Because you are punk I recommend Danelectro Fish & Chips but I would recommend that anyway. The only drawback is that it is plastic but is every it as good and maybe better than some EQ pedals.

    The only other advice I can give you is that should liquid come flying your direction making contact then immediately drop your guitar and stand back until someone solves that potential problem.
     
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    Sir Don Well-Known Member

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    For years I was using a tubescreamer into my 2204 until I jammed with a guy using a Bad Monkey into his 2203.

    I use a Bad Monkey now (not that this helps the OP).
     
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    Mathias Karlsson New Member

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    I hear you, there are many subgenres to punk music but i
    These are 2 bands from sweden that play punk that i like



     
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    pedecamp Well-Known Member

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    Thats old school punk sounding, I like it! You should be able to get that tone straight out of a cranked Marshall no pedals required! If youre sure you have a 50 watt amp (2 power tubes) get a Bad Cat Unleash.
     
  20. GuitarIV

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    Ok. First of all, get a Legendary Tones V2 Evo to add another gain stage to your 800. That should give you enough distortion to play mean rhythm without the need for a boost pedal. Then buy a Standard Boss SD-1 new or used, they are cheap and sound great with the 800. Engage pedal for addtional cut when soloing. Done!

    Why do I know this? I have the 800, the HotMod V2 and the SD-1. It works like a charm.

    @David Szabados does the HotMod and maybe he can chime in.

    Check this out:








    Hope that helps. Cheers!
     

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