Tone Robbing Bridge Slots!!! Check this out!

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  1. Adrian R

    Adrian R Well-Known Member Silver Supporting Member

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    THIS is what was killing my LP man!

    Look at this crap, especially the low E side..pathetic!

    You guyz have NO CLUE..how many years this thing had evaded me...
     

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    Wiseblood Well-Known Member

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    I think the same thing is going on with one of my V's. I have two Jackson King Vs that I tried to get sound identical (or close to). **** its tough lol

    Bridge and nut make a world of difference on tone.

    I even took the bridge off my one V (good) and put it on the other V which was lacking and it helped but didn't solve 100%. But since then I changed the nut and the nut helped but again not 100%. For me I think it needed both a new nut and bridge. And now just a new bridge.

    I'm stoked to try this.
     
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    When I bought my ’70 Gold Top the slots in the saddles were cut even deeper. I couldn’t tell if it was robbing tone because the strings rattled so much.
     
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    dreyn77 Well-Known Member

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    I just ripped mine off the S/H faded SG I got last christmas and it's saddles are beyond passable.
    the bass strings have big gruves and the treble strings have cut 4 times deeper into the metal leaving jagged edges.
    the bearing edge is now twice as big as what it's suppose to be. that means the front /neck side of the string isn't being held down on the saddle. that makes super bad notes.
     
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    That's amazing. You wouldn't think that just that little slot would make that much difference.
     
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    Reminds me, I gotta change mine too...
     
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    Georgiatec Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Looking for something I don't remember what.
    I can understand the rationale behind doing this, if all the saddles were the same height. As they are all ready compensated to match the fretboard radius, doing the job is pointless. :scratch:

    The correct way to do it BTW is to remove the saddles and put each one in a vice, then using different gauge needle files, carefully deepen the slot, following the angle of the saddle with your strokes. This maintains the correct contact area for the string. :yesway:
     
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    blues_n_cues Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    the things do need to be changed every few years or less depending-
    sweat
    wear
    original build quality
     
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    dreyn77 Well-Known Member

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    I just got my new saddles/ bridge.
    you need some serious clamps and a press to get the saddles out to swap them.
    the guy tried to tell me they didn't have any, and they are the importer of all gibson product. I found them on a rack hidden behind lots of other stuff. then another sales guy came and said "the hardest part is putting the grueves in the saddles. how you going to do that? thats a tough job, good luck!".
    I just paid up and agreed and walked out.

    they have no idea!
     
  10. dreyn77

    dreyn77 Well-Known Member

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    If you've put a grueve in the saddle, you don't need much string pull down tension, therefore you don't need a super thick bridge because the vintage one won't bend.
    so there's no point notching the latest nashville bridge.
    it's built extra thick to stop the bending, so you can have the extra string pull down tension on the saddles and the string never moves far enough to slide off the saddle, but even if it does the string is made from such top quality material and its super flexible u just lift it back onto the saddle and it still won't be out of tune.

    SO you said a correct way, but now it was/is proven to be total BS!
    The original designer never intended for the saddle to be slotted.
    If it was suppose to be it would not have been made so wide.
    it's pointless to made a wide saddle if the string can never slide.
    It's also pointless to bevel the saddle if you're going to file a slot in it.
    if you cut grueves, the strings are all mounted at different heights.

    the string needs to be held by the least amount of surface area for the most ringing to occur.

    there was no string holding channels in the first and second LP bridges. and there is none in the last few as well. original strats don't have it either!
     
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    MPI-Mass Psychogenic Illness is defined as"the rapid spread of illness signs and symptoms affecting members of a cohesive group, originating from a nervous system disturbance involving excitation, loss or alteration of function, whereby physical complaints that are exhibited unconsciously have no corresponding organic aetiology."
    Just a thought.
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    When I first looked, without my reading glasses, I thought the title was,"Tom Robbins' bridge."
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    So I'm supposed to be changing my saddles once a groove is worn in them?
     
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    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    I've taken this silly theory to heart. I'm converting all my guitars to smooth wraptails and bugger the intonation. Gosh, how could I have been so blind all these years. I've made hundreds of nuts and polished untold number of bridges, all for naught. Oh well, I retire, now, to Bedlam.
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    ;>)/
     
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    Every time I see the thread title I think of Tony Robbins! :lol:
     
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    Adrian R Well-Known Member Silver Supporting Member

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    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    "
    the string needs to be held by the least amount of surface area for the most ringing to occur."
    The one truth in all of this.
    "Players: They make bein' a tech possible! And profitable."
    ;>)/
     
  19. dreyn77

    dreyn77 Well-Known Member

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    So tobias robbins has lost a bridge?

    and that guy in the pic is the real robbin who played opposite the fake batman who is on his woolen jumper.
    or is he the real guitarist tony west who gets the great batman notes from the gibson night wind guitar? who's bridge doesn't make it over the river song from zakk wild?
     
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    dreyn77 Well-Known Member

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    "Better than ever baby!"
    that's all that matters.
     

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