These pickups sound terrific and I want to know why

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  1. bobpick68

    bobpick68 Well-Known Member

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    So I just installed a pair of new Seymour Duncan Invaders in my Schecter Omen Extreme-FR and something happened that really surprised me. Sure they are awesome sounding for high gain hard rock and metal but when I engage the coil splitter on the guitar, and play clean it's probably the best clean tones I have ever heard. It's almost acoustic-like, almost akin to a piezo pickup or something. So crystaline and acoustic feeling. Made me want to investigate and see if someone (I bought the guitar used) installed piezos under the bridge but it has a FR so I dont think thats possible?

    This is the only guitar I have with a coil split so I am sure that I am just not that used to it but the stock Schecter labeled pickups sounded nothing like this with the coil split engaged.

    Being someone who has been in the IT Industry I always want to know "why" (ie the database is back up but no one did anything to fix it) something works the way it does.

    Any guesses? I surely didnt expect a pickup made for high gain brutality to sound so sweet for cleans when split.
     
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    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    dont question the SD magic.
     
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  3. bobpick68

    bobpick68 Well-Known Member

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    I hear ya. I never thought anything could displace my love for my Strat loaded with Lace Sensors when it comes to my favorite clean sounds, but I am addicted to the cleans on this Schecter now. Maybe the shine will wear off in a bit I dunno.
     
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    FleshOnGear Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it has something to do with the way those big caps on the screws direct the magnetic field?
     
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    Filipe Soares Well-Known Member

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    I really can't remember how the invaders sounds. It's been like 20 years since my last invaders, I might give it a try again.
     
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    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    you cant find them on our local CL hardly at all.
    that says something.
    ive seen them suggest several times. when i get
    things going again i too might try some.
     
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    Filipe Soares Well-Known Member

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    I had that feeling with the X2N, at the same time I had the Invaders I also had a X2N in a different guitar. 2 decades later I fell in love with this pickup again.
     
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    Hi,
    My archived data about a bridge Invader mention a very high inductance (8.4 Henry) and a slightly higher Q factor than with a SH4, for example, but nothing special.

    Now, the specific design of this model includes several specs susceptible to enhance clarity in split mode. These specs are...
    -the moderate height of each coil (no difference with other HB's here but a narrow and not too high coil makes the sound brighter than with a taller coil, giving deeper bass);
    -the protuding mushroom poles, spreading the magnetic field (as a fellow member said above) and increasing the inductivity without encouraging eddy currents. FWIW, rising the screw poles of a regular HB also makes it clearer, for similar reasons ;
    -the ceramic magnet (powerful and discouraging eddy currents as well).

    Its high inductance surely avoids an Invader to sound thin once in single coil mode. That's the good thing with "hot" pickups, generally.

    Last but not least, the neck invader hosts a hidden serial capacitor, avoiding it to sound muddy despite of its high inductance. It might explain partly your feeling, by giving a kind of Rickenbacker vibe to the neck PU in single coil (some Ricky's host 4.7nF series caps; the cap in a neck invader is a 5.6nF or something like that).

    That's admitedly a bunch of gratuitious hypothesis. I'll have to check my own statements on real Invaders when time will permit...

    And anyway, the sound of "a" pickup model always depends on its interaction with a defined guitar with its scale + its acoustic resonance + its wiring harness + the cable used with its capacitance + the input in which we plug with its impedance, and so on.
    That's the magic with magnetic transducers: each guitar + rig has "its" ideal pickup somewhere and finding it is always rewarding.

    FWIW, so - not necessarily more than 2 cents of wordy rambling... ;-)

    Enjoy!
     
  9. Ken Ops

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    Clips or it didn’t happen? ;)

    Kidding, but still, some audio or video would be cool. Your call, dude. Either way, great you’ve found pickups that do exactly what you want. Not ever a given.
     
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    I had an Invader in a Kramer V years ago. I remember it being very bright, never tried coil splitting it though.
     
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    I had on in an SG when I was 20yrs old, that's been awhile (just made 58)
     
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    I have a guitar loaded with an X2N. Much different pup than the Invader but an awesome pickup!
     
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    I have a clip but it's a little out of tune and dialed for band mix not wanking but I have a clip. LOL. The 4x12 it's on is just a stand. Not plugged into it.

     
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    Awesome info and just what I was looking for! Thank you so much!
     
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    that sounds really good!!!

    Yes the X2N and the Invader are different beasts, I was just saying about falling in love again with the same pickup, years a part.
     
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    Yep, nice cleans there. Preferred them to the other tones, tbh. Hm.
     
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    :bday:
     
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    very clean and almost sounds like an acoustic amplified .
     
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    After the clean tones you were ripping and that sounded awesome !
     
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    Gotcha. It's a great pickup for sure. I have 2 Air Nortons along with it in the guitar that hosts the X2N.
     

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