The vaccine

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  1. Lo-Tek

    Lo-Tek Well-Known Member

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    If you are gonna critique those in charge now you should also critique those in charge when the pandemic started; their blatant lies made everything worse and cost lives.
     
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    There are many examples. For starters if the vaccine prevents hospitalization that’s already less people potentially exposed. I could go on but there is no point.
     
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    People like you who resort to personal attack are twats.
    I prefer to listen to qualified people rather than some random charlatan "doctor" (of what, wanking?) on the internet who may produce bullshit that backs up my own opinion.
    I worked for 8 years manufacturing a cancer drug in a sterile suite, where everyone wore a gown, hood, goggles overboots and a mask. Why do you think that was? Because it was ineffective?

    Shove your liberal pacifier up your arse.
     
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    I blame China for lying it's ass off about it.

    Thank goodness Xiao Bai Den wasn't in charge at the offset, or WAY more people would have been infected and his Open border policies will only serve a negative result. Just sayin...
     
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    If that's the case, it should be easy to name a vaccine that prevents transmission of infected patients, to others. Still waiting...
     
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    Settle down Karen--

    Then try reading the peer-reviewed medical studies I posted, only slower this time so you don't miss it again. If you have a reading comprehension deficit that prevents you from comprehending the info-- I don't know what to tell you.

    I can only post the facts for you, I can't 'understand them' FOR you too. That's all on you babe.

    The reason you got gowned up doing lab work was to prevent your bacteria, hair, etc. contaminating the samples. DUH

    If you were working with infectious disease viruses and material like Ebola-- you'd have had to be wearing a full HAZMAT suit w/ isolated O2 supply, because masks DON'T prevent virus transmission. Try again?

    But, before you do, here is the list of 'qualified' experts who conducted the studies. Feel free to argue with them about their findings and refute them with your own. Until then... Get a grip. There's NO need to panic. B R E A T H E.

    The treatment has a 99%+ success rate. Your failure to recognize that as a sense of relief merely highlights your overly-emotionally irrational panic. Not a good look


    Baccam et al. (2006), Lowen et al. (2007), Zwart et al. (2009), Shaman et al. (2010), Viboud (2010), Yelzi and Otter (2011), bin-Reza et al. (2012) "The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the science evidence", Influenza, and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257-267. There were 17 eligible studies. (...) None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask / respirator use and protection against influenza infection." Brooke et al. (2013), Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934-1942, Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) "N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial", JAMA. 2019; 322(9):824-833. doing:10.1001/jama.2019. 11645, Paules and Subbaro (2017), Offeddu, V. et al. (2017)"Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) "Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis", CMAJ Mar 2016, Long, Y. et al. (2020) "Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis, J Evid Based Med. 2020
     
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    China lied, our government knowingly lied. There’s enough blame to go around. ;)

    You said “people don’t get a vaccine to protect others” . That’s false. I gave an example- now you’re are trying to change the topic. It’s not about the vaccines it’s about the reasons people get them. Those reasons are individual and unique to each person.
     
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    That's correct. People get inoculated to protect themselves, their own immune systems from contracting an illness, not to prevent from transmitting a virus, once they're infected-- to others, protecting 'others'.

    Still waiting for an example of one that does that.
     
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    NFI
     
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    Well... Then stfu Karen-- Your unhinged emotionalism and ensuing panic is not a good look for you
     
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    Note to self....do not debate Zachman. :duel:
     
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    My secret is, I don't argue about shit I don't understand and know is true and correct. ;)
     
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    About all you seemed to have developed is a temper.
     
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    "It's usually futile to talk Facts and Analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority, in their ignorance".-- T. Sowell
     
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    Not a debate, he's made his mind up and I've made up mine.
    If I were to go on "Mastermind" my specialist subject wouldn't be wasting my fecking time.
     
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    Correct... It's not a debate. Good thing for you, not being F'n interested and all-- YET, here you are making a spectacle of yourself. :rolleyes: :slap:

    My position is backed by the science. Yours seems based on nothing more than emotionalism, which is why you're dismissed, as an overly-emotional, whinging Karen, screaming RREEEeeeeeeee. :run::squint:

    The sky is not falling Chicken Little.

    BREATHE

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    Just for the record the use of masks is about inhibiting the airflow from the wearer. Rather than projecting outwards the airflow is dissapated....this isn't rocket science, it's common sense and no, I don't need to quote a miriad of studies to prove it.
    It may not prevent transmission, but the idea is to impair it.
     
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    I'm English...I have no idea who Chicken fucking Little is....my name is not Karen.
    Now feck off and patronise someone else.
    Another zealot on the ignore list.
     
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    The internet can be used for more than trolling and porn... You should check it out, and up your game. You need to do much better.

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    Yup, pearls before -----!
     
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