The Official Marshall Studio Classic Thread Sc20

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  1. PelliX

    PelliX Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, TAD at least provides some data with theirs. Buying a matched pair from [XYZ] and getting two or four valves that are nowhere close is a raw deal. Honestly, good valves, bad valves - balance makes a big(ger) difference in the output stage in my opinion. That's what TAD provides, though I'd rather buy something knowing what brand it really is. Any competent seller can check and match valves before selling them - it's not rocket science.
     
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    I been buying for years from dealers just wonder if JJ is really that mix matched from marshall. They failed a lot for Friedman amps so he stopped using them for awhile
     
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    My limited experience with the Marshall stock JJ valves has been 'fine'. To be fair they provide actual measurements on the stickers, not just a colour like Mesa. I have zero experience with Mesa, I should add, but I know that they use a 'colour dot' system.
     
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    Funny you mention using color dots on preamp tubes. Was changing V1...again in my DSL40 C and noticed red dots on V2 Marshall labled. I've had this amp for years and it stuck out in my head a few days ago. Maybe I noticed when it was new and forgot?:shrug: I did note it now though. Been awhile for that amp since changing tubes.

    Marshall? Put 2 red dots on your preamp tube and I have no choice but to put it in the second slot. WTF?! I hate being controlled.
     
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    marshallmellowed Well-Known Member

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    SV20? :scratch:
     
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    He wanted us to tell him the SC20 is exactly like a 2203/4, which noone did so he has decided on SV20.
    He didn't want us to tell him it's kick ass and has alot of tricks for what is often labelled as a 1 trick pony. So we didn't :)
     
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    Give me a Plexi and I'll play it all.






    Except I only play blues and rock. Isn't that all that matters?:naughty:
     
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    scozz Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Is that true? So there’s a premium grade?
     
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    scozz Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Haha, it does sound like that, weird that all of a sudden the SV20 is in the mix. I don’t think anyone disputes a 20 watt amp doesn’t have the thump and bigness of a 100 watt amp.

    Yeah Greg, I agree about the versatility of a SC20, it covers a lot of ground. I especially like the very edge of breakup for edgy cleans, also the low sensitivity input brings some really nice pristine cleans!

    Who needs two channels, a single channel and the guitars volume does it for me. :D
     
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    Any more? I set any amp as a 1 channel. There is a big lie that says you need a clean, rhythm and lead. And those manufacturers laugh at how your playing ability is based on their research. Their profit. Think for yourself. Don't ever let money decide your worth. Yes money wasted. Reality meaningful. I'm good now. And the best ever guitarist. I'm not delusional about my playing.
     
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    solarburnDSL50 Well-Known Member Platinum Supporting Member

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    I will say big iron = certain amp circuits. We all wonder why it took Marshall so long to offer lower wattage circuits? Certainly wasn't a request for smaller...

    Impact. R&R is all about impact.
     
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    I'm still a SC20 newbie, but I'm actually on low input most the time, less attenuation, crisper notes, still plenty of dirt both from the mv if wanted or the pre amp if desired..
    I guess it could be a 1 trick pony, if that pony's trick includes a headstand, cartwheel backflip and juggling all at the same time....
    That's 1 hell of a pony.
     
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    Weirdo!:D
     
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    GregM Well-Known Member

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    Says the world's best ever guitarist.
    I'm like totally fanboying out right now, omg, the world's best ever guitarist called me a weirdo <3
     
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    Balls, honest typo. SC20! ... an unfortunate typo, but a typo nonetheless. :eek:

    Also, @GregM I wanted an honest opinion/answer or two - if I know what I want to hear, I'll ask myself :applause:

    I weighed up the feedback, the pros and cons, price, availability, looked at the insides of the SC20's (acceptable design, shame about the cheap caps and crappy solder work on the one or two I saw) - I'll go for one. if I really, really don't get on with it, I can return it or sell it. I hate doing that, but we're not talking about accidentally buying the wrong box of nails.

    Actually, I was talking about the output stage (where matching is important) not the pre-amp, but that's funny. Neither my 20 or 40's stock Marshall valves had/have any dots. Though, if you think about it, it just prevents people making mistakes in the factory/assembly line: V1 = low microphony, V2 = any ol' ECC83, V3 = balanced, (in a DSL like that, anyway).
     
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    My mistake, or shared mistake.
    Seriously, I haven't played a 2203 or 2204 so couldn't comment. I have done a tonne of review watching reading while waiting to pick it up, and they all say the same.
    It's not a 2203/2204 but it's damn close and if the didn't already have a 2203/2204 they would buy this in a heartbeat.
    Oh and it has more gain than a 2203/2204. Which isn't a great thing for me, but I'm sure some like it that way.They do all also say it's a one trick pony, I don't think they had enough time with it. But I understand, when I got mine I was straight in to high gain with 6s and 7s on the volume and omg, what a sound!
     
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    Probably one of my most unfortunate typos in a while, to be fair. I don't mind the one trick pony argument - I've got other ponies in the stable. Also, look at the masses of music made over decades with those amps (2203, mainly). That's one damn ambidextrous agile little pony, no? :)
     
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    The only thing I still lack the skill to do is get an amazing sound out of it with single coils and p90s, I get great sounds but not amazing sounds, then I give up, wack in a humbucker equipped guitar, and I think you would have to work pretty hard to get an average sound oot of it.
    It loooooooovvvvveeeessss humbuckers
    ( in all fairness mine our pretty low output till mid October, but.......)
     
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    I virtually only play single coil Fenders, to be honest so we'll see how that goes. I often run the guitar signal through two different amps at once, though, a Marshall and a VOX, generally with the Marshall being dominant and the VOX providing a sort of harmony and richness. I often say the VOX sings the backing and the Marshall barks over it. When done right it sort of has a touch of two guitarists in sync.
     
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    I used to love abying my Lil dsl5cr with the ac15. Surprisingly ( or not so, 10 inch vs 12 inch) the vox had the bass end of the deal, the marshall just had the scream!
     

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