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Thanks man! I really like the heavy rock that flirts with metal, but not full on Decapitated Amon Amarth Meshuggah metal, though I listen to them and other metal bands as well.

The Les Paul just like any other guitar works for some people and not so much for others. It could be the model, or simply that you're not an LP kind of person which is cool, that's why there are so many kinds of guitars out there.

Seeing that you're liking Schecter guitars the one Lester I would recommend is a long discontinued model, the KM. My first Les Paul was a 79 Kalamazoo Model and it had a very skinny neck and a volute. Wasn't a huge fan of the slightly oversized headstock, but other than that it was pretty awesome and I changed nothing but the strings on that guitar. Wasn't unbearably heavy to me, but YMMV.

I never thought I'd gel with a beefy 50s style neck, but the one on mine I've grown used to, can even do some of the faster Metallica riffing on it.

I think the biggest issue I've had are essentially the stock pickups. I've used Burstbucker pros, Burstbucker 1 and 2, 490s, 498T, 500T and there's this grainy thing going on, and not enough oomph like the sound is missing something for the heavier rock stuff. If I were a classic rock and blues guy I would probably have no issues with them.

If you can see if you can try different models, some necks are wider and fatter, some are super slim, some weigh a ton and some are just right. When you find a good one, it's like finding a friend.

It is a good guitar, and I love the neck and weight.
Just as a whole, it's not floating my boat. Not sure why.
The neck and weight of my Tempest is very similar to my LP.
Both suit my stubby hands.
But the B.K. PUps leave the burstbuckers in the dust.
But I wouldn't expect the same results if I was to put a set in the Gibby.
The resonance of the Tempest kills the LP. It's been mistaken for an acoustic guitar because of the unplugged volume is quite loud.
So I'm picking it's partly a wood combination thing, although both are mahogany with a maple cap.

I like your descriptions of the LP PUps.
I can totally relate to what you're saying.
Definitely fall short for heavier rock and metal.
Good up to a point, but I found them to sound flubby when playing really fast riffs/picking
 

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It is a good guitar, and I love the neck and weight.
Just as a whole, it's not floating my boat. Not sure why.
The neck and weight of my Tempest is very similar to my LP.
Both suit my stubby hands.
But the B.K. PUps leave the burstbuckers in the dust.
But I wouldn't expect the same results if I was to put a set in the Gibby.
The resonance of the Tempest kills the LP. It's been mistaken for an acoustic guitar because of the unplugged volume is quite loud.
So I'm picking it's partly a wood combination thing, although both are mahogany with a maple cap.

I like your descriptions of the LP PUps.
I can totally relate to what you're saying.
Definitely fall short for heavier rock and metal.
Good up to a point, but I found them to sound flubby when playing really fast riffs/picking

Gibson could start calling the pickups the Moby Dick or the Ahab: flubby and undefined down low, grainy and scratchy up high. I've heard nothing but good things about the Bareknuckle stuff and would like to try them out one day but I'm good with what I've got planned. I'll say this though and pickups are a rabbit hole. A potentially exorbitantly expensive rabbit hole. Your description of the Tempest ironically reminds me of my R8 lol
 

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Great clips Ian. I like your style of playing. Very similar to what I jam to.:hbang:

It's a good feeling when you gel with a guitar, but I'm starting to think I might part with my Les Paul, as I'm just not bonding with it in the way I'd expect for a guitar of it's stature.

Maybe I brought the wrong model,.... I dunno :sad:
I enjoy playing my $300-$375 ESP 400-AT's more than I did my Les Paul Traditional. I sold the LP, and now have 3 ESP 400-AT's, all purchased used.
 
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Gibson could start calling the pickups the Moby Dick or the Ahab: flubby and undefined down low, grainy and scratchy up high. I've heard nothing but good things about the Bareknuckle stuff and would like to try them out one day but I'm good with what I've got planned. I'll say this though and pickups are a rabbit hole. A potentially exorbitantly expensive rabbit hole. Your description of the Tempest ironically reminds me of my R8 lol
I've found that the bridge pickup location is very important, especially when it comes to articulation. The further the pickup is from the bridge, the looser sounding the low end.
 

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I enjoy playing my $300-$375 ESP 400-AT's more than I did my Les Paul Traditional. I sold the LP, and now have 3 ESP 400-AT's, all purchased used.

Hmmmm.....

I've been looking closely at ESP as a possible replacement.
I know that ESP is made in Japan.
Is that their country of origin?
Or are they made in the States as well?

Just trying to gauge the quality, as I've seen some Japanese made ones here and was wondering if they're worth it
 

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I've found that the bridge pickup location is very important, especially when it comes to articulation. The further the pickup is from the bridge, the looser sounding the low end.
Ok, this is interesting, so I guess the placement of the bridge pickup depends on what guitar is being used.

I use mainly 2 Les Pauls and I’ve never had a problem with articulation, or anything else for that matter, with the bridge pickup on either guitar.

On the other hand I adjust the pickup height to get the tone I’m looking for, and neither of my LPs have high output pickups. One has Vintage output pickups, and the other has moderate output bridge pickup.
 

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Ok, this is interesting, so I guess the placement of the bridge pickup depends on what guitar is being used.

I use mainly 2 Les Pauls and I’ve never had a problem with articulation, or anything else for that matter, with the bridge pickup on either guitar.

On the other hand I adjust the pickup height to get the tone I’m looking for, and neither of my LPs have high output pickups. One has Vintage output pickups, and the other has moderate output bridge pickup.

I think when it gets to the equation where there's gain from the preamp, the power amp, the headroom of the speaker, dirt pedals, and then start ramping up the output of the pickups as well as the type of magnet used and add all that together, it's a matter of being able to get all of those factors working together instead of fighting each other. Some pickups add muscle for sure but start to sacrifice articulation while others are clear and articulate but don't have the balls and can get pretty bright if not careful.

As far as the pickup distance from the bridge, I can see that from a physics standpoint. I'm sure someone around here can chime in and articulate but my guess would be the vibrations from picking the strings and the way the wood resonates as a result. I could be totally wrong but something along those lines would be my guess.
 

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Hmmmm.....

I've been looking closely at ESP as a possible replacement.
I know that ESP is made in Japan.
Is that their country of origin?
Or are they made in the States as well?

Just trying to gauge the quality, as I've seen some Japanese made ones here and was wondering if they're worth it
Yes, I think they're a Japanese company. I had a newer ESP (256, I think), and didn't really bond with it. For some reason, I just like the earlier LP style models, mainly the 400-AT. They're pretty heavy, solid bodies, and came with Duncan pickups (JB and 59). I also have an ESP ST203 FR super strat, which I play 80's metal stuff on. Don't know much about the newer models, mine are all older beaters.

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Ok, this is interesting, so I guess the placement of the bridge pickup depends on what guitar is being used.

I use mainly 2 Les Pauls and I’ve never had a problem with articulation, or anything else for that matter, with the bridge pickup on either guitar.

On the other hand I adjust the pickup height to get the tone I’m looking for, and neither of my LPs have high output pickups. One has Vintage output pickups, and the other has moderate output bridge pickup.

I've found that the bridge pickup location is very important, especially when it comes to articulation. The further the pickup is from the bridge, the looser sounding the low end.
Gibson could start calling the pickups the Moby Dick or the Ahab: flubby and undefined down low, grainy and scratchy up high. I've heard nothing but good things about the Bareknuckle stuff and would like to try them out one day but I'm good with what I've got planned. I'll say this though and pickups are a rabbit hole. A potentially exorbitantly expensive rabbit hole. Your description of the Tempest ironically reminds me of my R8 lol
Nothing new. Perhaps unaware of "The Log" ;-)
 

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Ok, this is interesting, so I guess the placement of the bridge pickup depends on what guitar is being used.

I use mainly 2 Les Pauls and I’ve never had a problem with articulation, or anything else for that matter, with the bridge pickup on either guitar.

On the other hand I adjust the pickup height to get the tone I’m looking for, and neither of my LPs have high output pickups. One has Vintage output pickups, and the other has moderate output bridge pickup.

My Gibby's PUps are ok for rock, I guess, but it's the heavier genre's I play is where they fall short
 

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