Test Your Ears! Can You Tell Which Marshall This Is? Results Are In!

What Marshall amp is this?

  • 1962 Bluesbreaker

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • 1974x

    Votes: 12 29.3%
  • JCM 800

    Votes: 3 7.3%
  • JCM 900 Dual Reverb

    Votes: 5 12.2%
  • DSL100h

    Votes: 10 24.4%
  • TSL100

    Votes: 7 17.1%

  • Total voters
    41
  • Poll closed .

milfwah

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AND THE RESULTS!

So the short and sweet answer is;


Marshall DSL100H

Now for a bit more info;
Run through the Avatar 2x12 W/Vintage 30's, EQ dialed fairly wild to get a "vintage" style tone - resonance OFF, Bass 3, Mids 10, Treble 4, Presence OFF.

Now... lets talk about what happened here, because I think there is some really interesting stuff going on.

75% of you or so guessed wrong, which tells me that I am correct; while there is certainly a "Marshall Sound", nailing down a specific sound to a certain amp is much, much harder. The EQ has as much to do with the sound as anything. Some models are geared for more treble or bass - but with enough EQ yo find the vintage tones are in there. While it is noted that the 2ns largest guessing block was the DSL, I think a fair number of those guessers looked at my previous posts and/or pictures and made that guess.

now some have commented on the "loose" low end, and I find that quite strange; Vintage 30's, bass at 3, resonance OFF... I find it hard to believe the bass could be that loose at those settings, and wonder if it isn't the EQ and/or medium in which some people listened to the audio with. Further, there is something to be said for EXACT reproductive audio; so many people are used to studio style audio where the EQ is tailored, then the track is normalized, then the whole production is EQ'd and then the thing is mastered. I think many folks would be in for a shock if they heard their favorite stars live tone on stage as compared to the "on the record" tone.

Several people were convinced EL84's were involved - that's interesting to me at least.

Feel free to discuss the track; good, bad, indifferent, things that surprised you, things that strike you s different now that you know what the amp is, etc etc - I'm very keen to hear your thoughts, and I know I've certainly learned some interesting things.


No secret that the DSL is one of the great amps in the pantheon of Marshalls great amps.
There's no denying the DSL (and the JCM-2000 DSLs) are fantastic amps. I'm fortunate to have had three of them (a JCM-2000, a DSL 100H, and my current white tolex DSL-40C with a well broken in Celestion Vintage-30 in it). Even though I also have a JCM-900 2100 MK-III and a JCM 800 2210 head and a '78 JMP 2203 (Thor's hammer to be sure), and a pair of JCM-600 1x12 combos, and a JVM 410H, I STILL consider that DSL 40C to be my "Desert island amp".
 

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My TSL - also a JCM2000 - kind of a generic term for a few amps - is one of mine. The Crunch channel has far more balls than the DSL and can go from reasonably cleanish to flat out old school metal with lowering guitar volume just on that channel alone. The Gain control on Clean channel is a nice addition as well. Easy to set tones and can sound pretty much like anything you want.
The nice thing is I could take it from the example OP posted by setting similar EQ on Crunch channel and still have a soaring lead channel PLUS clean. They've had some PCB problems but a fantastic sounding amp!
 

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My TSL - also a JCM2000 - kind of a generic term for a few amps - is one of mine. The Crunch channel has far more balls than the DSL and can go from reasonably cleanish to flat out old school metal with lowering guitar volume just on that channel alone. The Gain control on Clean channel is a nice addition as well. Easy to set tones and can sound pretty much like anything you want.
The nice thing is I could take it from the example OP posted by setting similar EQ on Crunch channel and still have a soaring lead channel PLUS clean. They've had some PCB problems but a fantastic sounding amp!


I had a JCM-2000 TSL 60 2x12 for a while. Yes it was a great amp too. It didn't have a bias drift issue and I fixed the lousy foot switch with s handful of Radio Shack
switch buttons and some washers to make up for the difference in the hole size of the pedal housing. Not a thing wrong with the tone of that amp. Even the Wolverine speakers sounded great to me. Only reason I let it go is it was heavy as hell and I piled up a shit ton of Marshall tube amps. I'd gladly rock a TSL 100 head. Should probably get another one day before a handful of people talk them up and drive the prices up.
 

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I had a JCM-2000 TSL 60 2x12 for a while. Yes it was a great amp too. It didn't have a bias drift issue and I fixed the lousy foot switch with s handful of Radio Shack
switch buttons and some washers to make up for the difference in the hole size of the pedal housing. Not a thing wrong with the tone of that amp. Even the Wolverine speakers sounded great to me. Only reason I let it go is it was heavy as hell and I piled up a shit ton of Marshall tube amps. I'd gladly rock a TSL 100 head. Should probably get another one day before a handful of people talk them up and drive the prices up.
I find my 122 to sound piles better than my buddy's 602. We play side by each and the 122 really kills it. No footswitch problem with mine either.
 

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Wow, that definitely fooled me! Then again my DSL gain knob is always WAY east of zero, so I'm not very familiar with low gain! HA! :eddie:

Cool experiment! Thank you! :yesway:
 

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It sounds a lot like my 900 reissue in fact I thought it was a 900 DR on channel A very AC/DC ish.
 
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It IS interesting. Seems to me that by changing EQ one can get a more vintage sound to a modern amp.

Now I just have to figure out how to accomplish that with my TSL!!



My TSL isn't really a distinctive sounding Marshall to my ears

Perhaps that more generic Marshall tone would enable it to emulate other amps better than would be the case if it had a very distinct tone of its own?
 

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Now I just have to figure out how to accomplish that with my TSL!!

Perhaps that more generic Marshall tone would enable it to emulate other amps better than would be the case if it had a very distinct tone of its own?

While This may not be the 'ideal' tone for everyone, it is a good 'vintage' flavor tone. here's some tips on how to get it;

The speakers are a HUGE part of the sound of an amp. The size/shape/volume of the cabinet [as well as open back vs closed back] are also huge. If you feel like you simply cannot get a "vintage" tone out of the amp, my very first question would be; what speakers/cab are you using? If you have the G12T75's, they are an extremely "modern" sounding [high presence and bass] speaker.

The next thing I would do would be; the bass and treble to '0' and turn the mids to '10'. now bring the treble up until you have enough cut to define the notes on the low 'e' string, but I would avoid getting too much treble or 'sizzle'. Now bring just enough bass in that the notes seem full in spectrum - you are NOT looking to make your pants flap. If a palm muted Em chord sounds like 'woof' and you lost the cut in the EQ then that's too much bass.

Bear in mind that as your volume goes up, bass should go down - the EQ is NOT 'set and forget'.

Finally, the TSL is very similar to the DSL. Not identical, but it is similar. With Vintage 30's or creambacks, dialing in a similar EQ [resonance off, presence off, bass 3, mids 10, treble 4] should give you pretty similar results.
 

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I agree as a place to start with TSL. Because of the "extra" channel, I find it voiced between Channel 1 Crunch and channel 2 Lead1 on DSL. Seems like a great start!!
 

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The DSL is a very good amp but I play metal and that setting isn't anything I would ever really use and for me the JCM 900 Reissue is the sweet spot for Thrash Metal tones. That said I think the DSL is a great Thrash metal amp in it's own right . I just wish they still made them in the England factory .
 

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I agree as a place to start with TSL. Because of the "extra" channel, I find it voiced between Channel 1 Crunch and channel 2 Lead1 on DSL. Seems like a great start!!

Yes, I would use the "crunch" channel with the gain dimed for those settings. you could use channel 3 [od1] with a hair more treble, gain and volume and use it as a solo boost for leads!

The DSL is a very good amp but I play metal and that setting isn't anything I would ever really use and for me the JCM 900 Reissue is the sweet spot for Thrash Metal tones. That said I think the DSL is a great Thrash metal amp in it's own right . I just wish they still made them in the England factory .

Correct - This was sort of an exercise in getting a "vintage" tone out of a modern amp. Getting a thrash tone out of the DSL is relatively easy.

I find the DSL to be more reliable, cheaper, easier to acquire, and better planned [resonance knob instead of "deep" button" for example] than the 2000 line, and they are made with virtually the same parts - so being made in Vietnam to Marshall's specs vs being made in England to Marshall's specs would really only affect the price. Now if there were a "handwired" w spring reverb version you might argue that it is worth more [price vs sound quality].

I used to get caught up in the whole "USA or Europe only" thing... and then I realized that my phone, my camera, my ipad, etc etc are all made in china... its not WHERE it is made that matters. its the specs, parts used, and quality control that matters. If its a well made product - who cares where it was made. The golden rule of sound is; if it sounds good then it IS good.

For that matter I've seen some USA made amps that were less than ideal in quality control.

I played the DSL at a gig last night, the other guitarist was using a Hand wired 1962 "bluesbreaker". I've listened to the playback [want to hear?] - the amps complimented each other well, and both sounded great. The other guitarist even commented that "your new Marshall sounds really good".

I worry more about what my fingers put out - that ultimately means more.
 

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Got it straight away admittedly after the event but having once owned a jcm 2000 100w head if was pretty obvious . Couldn't get a decent tone out of it for love nor money , no dynamics whatsoever .
 

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I like the 3 channel setup of the TSL and the tones of channel 2 plus the additional gain control on Clean channel and footswitchability. I like mine a lot better than when I had DSL for my style and song list.
 

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Got it straight away admittedly after the event but having once owned a jcm 2000 100w head if was pretty obvious . Couldn't get a decent tone out of it for love nor money , no dynamics whatsoever .


so.... basically you just popped in after the test to let us all know that these amps sucks and you know the suck because you once owned the suck... and ergo the tones here also suck... all while missing the entire point of the test? And we're going to be wowed by your "golden ear"?

Classy.
 

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Sorry to all dsl owners out there just my opinion , which in all honesty doesn't really matter a shit anyway . What else can I say , didn't like the jcm 2000 I had for a while . Unfortunately I recognised ' that ' tone straight away , only being honest in my opinion .
 

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My guess was crappy sounding TSL. I agree with those that said the low end was loose flubby. That's near opposite the isolated VH track which is TIGHT and bouncy from bottom to mid. Can't believe the number of guesses for 1974x because of the very very light hint of throatiness in the sound. I would've been totally disappointed if that clip was generated from a 1974x... sorry not even close.
 

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