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If you can lift it, lug it !
If you can't hear it,turn it up !
If it doesn't fit in your car buy a truck !
Whats the point of having the c*ck and balls of a bull moose, if you can't swing it around from time to time.
Play proud !
 
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I guess since nobody else will say it, I will...

The current breed of "concert goers" are very much pussified. Very much so, did I say pussified? Ok, I hope you get that.

People that go to see a band perform their (original) music, but get annoyed/butthurt that they can't talk (over it) all the way through it & be the center of attention (because the band is too loud) - pussies...

I went to the Roger Waters The Wall concert at the LA Coliseum. There was a bunch of those types there. It's like shut up Roger (& band) I want everybody to look at & listen to me, while I sit here & take selfies of myself & act like a little girl... (even though they are male)

If you want to party & be the center of attention - stay home & invite everyone over to come worship you.

I remember seeing Michael Schenker, & for example, he was playing Let It Roll. The song is high energy from the start, then, when the guitar solo comes, it gets nice & soft, w/ a nice little melody.

When it got to the guitar solo, the crowd's db level was almost 3x's the music. I could see that it threw Michael back, he was like :wtf:, in the middle of playing his solo. He could have just stopped & nobody would have noticed... Well, I would have, but 90% of the loudmouths there wouldn't have...

When I pay money to go see a musical act, I go to see the act. I do not pay to try to get someone to jack off over my attention seeking whoredom, & I don't pay to see others doing that either...

I hate it when I pay good money to see a band & someone makes such a spectacle of themselves that you can not enjoy the show...

They should just stay TF home & if they want to support the band, buy a grateful friend the tickets, so they can enjoy the show...

Pussified lightweights annoy TF out of me...

there, I said it... :wave:
Last time I saw him at M15 there were some fans that waited at the stage in front to see him, I want to say if recall correctly Asian. Only reason I mention that is I wonder if it was a super that traveled far to see him?
 

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I'm not a physicist, but I don't think you can do a direct comparison to 100 db in a good size club, vs. 100db in a 16x24 practice space, lots of factors to consider (reflections, sound dispersion...).

Sound waves, shock waves, solar radiation, ..ect dissipate by the Inverse Square Law. What this means is that the loudness reduces exponentially with distance.

As a practical matter it depends on the size of the venue: Big amps for big venues and out doors, little amps for small venues and studios.
 

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Sound waves, shock waves, solar radiation, ..ect dissipate by the Inverse Square Law. What this means is that the loudness reduces exponentially with distance.

As a practical matter it depends on the size of the venue: Big amps for big venues and out doors, little amps for small venues and studios.
How many times must we say it’s not about volume? A Toy Rat Terrier’s yipe sounds like a Toy Rat Terriers’ yipe. And a St. Benard’s bark sounds like a St. Benard’s bark no matter how big or small the room is. They sound different...has nothing to do with volume.
 

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I've played w/ some damn good drummers & they are, & can be LOUD!


My drummer of 40 years, would play his kick drum with his hip. And his snare with his shoulder.
I can't count how many times I got a broken stick tip in the back of my head from him popping a cymbal crown.
I agree, people today are pussies.
Back when I was doing clubs. I carried 212 combos., 100watt minimum.
If I was to do a club today. I take an acoustic and a DI.
 

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Interesting thread, our band, basic 3 piece Rock Covers with female vocalist are having to "adapt" the set list to the venue, some of the local pubs want to party, especially after the last couple of years, so more "Pop" Rock for some pubs, we've today modded the list for a venue for next week with more Proper Rock 'cos we know that's what they like there. We try to keep the volume sensible, I use Origin 50 through 2 x 12 Vintage 30's, normally on half power. Gibson Les Paul standard 50's weapon of choice. Next week I may have to flip the power switch up to full, we'll see.
 

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Comparing small clubs to concerts is like comparing apples to sledgehammers. Yup a lot of us have been reduced to background music. I love the challenge of making those folks join the party so we can turn it up and bring the house down.

Bottom line is the venues are your Boss/Employer for the night. I don't know anyone who works for someone else that goes to work and tells their Boss how things will be run. At least not without being canned.

If a venue tells me they have no volume restrictions, damned right I crank it up. One of the reasons I get paid well and get asked back at every venue is because I am respectful to the venues.

So yeah it might sound all cool and rock n roll to call people pussies who don't want loud music but unfortunately it's not reality.
 

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Yes, the club management IS the boss-the employer. And yes, comparing clubs to concerts is like comparing apples to sledgehammers. Also, bringing a Rock band into a Sports Bar is like hosting a cock fight tournament at a child’s birthday party. That’s why I never have an issue with our presentation. I never play anywhere inappropriate. I never play any venue where this is not expected. I’m 67 now...when I get older maybe I’ll put together a lounge act so I can play those places and be appreciated.

On second thought...I doubt if you get any appreciation or respect from any of those places where you’re reduced to just background noise anyway. The patrons would rather be watching NFL Football or Stupid Japanese Games on one of the 62 big screen TVs in the room, and management considers you as just another necessary (unnecessary) expense like the advertising budget.
 
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How many times must we say it’s not about volume? A Toy Rat Terrier’s yipe sounds like a Toy Rat Terriers’ yipe. And a St. Benard’s bark sounds like a St. Benard’s bark no matter how big or small the room is. They sound different...has nothing to do with volume.

But I like that something that comes from turning up the knob to 8. If I can do that with a 100 watt plexi, yup, I get that. But turning up to 8 is more important to me whatever the venue.
 

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I guess since nobody else will say it, I will...

The current breed of "concert goers" are very much pussified. Very much so, did I say pussified? Ok, I hope you get that.

People that go to see a band perform their (original) music, but get annoyed/butthurt that they can't talk (over it) all the way through it & be the center of attention (because the band is too loud) - pussies...

I went to the Roger Waters The Wall concert at the LA Coliseum. There was a bunch of those types there. It's like shut up Roger (& band) I want everybody to look at & listen to me, while I sit here & take selfies of myself & act like a little girl... (even though they are male)

If you want to party & be the center of attention - stay home & invite everyone over to come worship you.

I remember seeing Michael Schenker, & for example, he was playing Let It Roll. The song is high energy from the start, then, when the guitar solo comes, it gets nice & soft, w/ a nice little melody.

When it got to the guitar solo, the crowd's db level was almost 3x's the music. I could see that it threw Michael back, he was like :wtf:, in the middle of playing his solo. He could have just stopped & nobody would have noticed... Well, I would have, but 90% of the loudmouths there wouldn't have...

When I pay money to go see a musical act, I go to see the act. I do not pay to try to get someone to jack off over my attention seeking whoredom, & I don't pay to see others doing that either...

I hate it when I pay good money to see a band & someone makes such a spectacle of themselves that you can not enjoy the show...

They should just stay TF home & if they want to support the band, buy a grateful friend the tickets, so they can enjoy the show...

Pussified lightweights annoy TF out of me...

there, I said it... :wave:
Stop sugarcoating it, tell us what you really think! Lol! :fever:
 

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Comparing small clubs to concerts is like comparing apples to sledgehammers. Yup a lot of us have been reduced to background music. I love the challenge of making those folks join the party so we can turn it up and bring the house down.

Bottom line is the venues are your Boss/Employer for the night. I don't know anyone who works for someone else that goes to work and tells their Boss how things will be run. At least not without being canned.

If a venue tells me they have no volume restrictions, damned right I crank it up. One of the reasons I get paid well and get asked back at every venue is because I am respectful to the venues.

So yeah it might sound all cool and rock n roll to call people pussies who don't want loud music but unfortunately it's not reality.
This^
 

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Yes, the club management IS the boss-the employer. And yes, comparing clubs to concerts is like comparing apples to sledgehammers. Also, bringing a Rock band into a Sports Bar is like hosting a cock fight tournament at a child’s birthday party. That’s why I never have an issue with our presentation. I never play anywhere inappropriate. I never play any venue where this is not expected. I’m 67 now...when I get older maybe I’ll put together a lounge act so I can play those places and be appreciated.

On second thought...I doubt if you get any appreciation or respect from any of those places where you’re reduced to just background noise anyway. The patrons would rather be watching NFL Football or Stupid Japanese Games on one of the 62 big screen TVs in the room, and management considers you as just another necessary (unnecessary) expense like the advertising budget.

I think it's somewhat regional. I have played in cities (Boston namely) in the US where most the clubs understand when they hire a rock band it's gonna be loud. I have told Management staff at a venue before that they should hire acoustic country acts if they want the band to be so quiet you can hear a pin drop. Some of them take it to the extreme like that and I won't go back there. I don't see a 90db limit as being too restrictive. If you are hard of hearing it might be but that's not exactly lounge music.
 

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In my case being a retired Systems Administrator living off a pension, I'd rather have 3 gigs a week in sports bars and dives that net me an extra 500 bucks a month so I can afford my toys, than 2 gigs a year where I get to crank up everything because that's pretty much my choices out here. I choose to have my cake and eat it too. I get the 3 gigs a week and also am in a Tribute that ONLY plays bigger shows a couple times a year..for next to no money BTW. Those Tribute shows cost almost as much to put on as we take in even with a big crowd. The last one I did every band member involved went home with 40 bucks. For some that didn't even cover their gas.

On the flipside I played this dumpy little dive a couple weeks ago and went home with 200 bucks.
 
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Well, times have changed and the audience wants to have fun, enjoy the night, hear the band/music without losing their hearing! It is what it is and if you don't concur, you wont get booked!
That must be some of the brainwashing the OP was mentioning. The show was sold out and the audience had fun. I guess you believe what you believe. I play a 50W or a 100W stack all the time, and a 50W combo for smaller venues. Either 70s JMPs or 80s JCM800s. Here is one of my larger shows a bit before the pandemic at a medium sized club (the red stack is mine):

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We played a place a few months back, where the owner had a SPL meter and digital display of the SPL on the ceiling about 15 ft in front of the stage. He said he'd appreciate it, if we could keep the level below 100 db, as some previous bands had run people off with their volume. We bounced between 95 and 105 (singer dynamic spikes) all night, and he said it was perfect. Everyone seemed to enjoy the band, and he booked us again.
 

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Here is an illustration that should explain a lot. The DJ's don't get told to turn down..

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That must be some of the brainwashing the OP was mentioning. The show was sold out and the audience had fun. I guess you believe what you believe. I play a 50W or a 100W stack all the time, and a 50W combo for smaller venues. Either 70s JMPs or 80s JCM800s. Here is one of my larger shows a bit before the pandemic at a medium sized club (the red stack is mine):

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I've done plenty of those too. Places that respect live loud music though are disappearing fast.
 

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We played a place a few months back, where the owner had a SPL meter and digital display of the SPL on the ceiling about 15 ft in front of the stage. He said he'd appreciate it, if we could keep the level below 100 db, as some previous bands had run people off with their volume. We bounced between 95 and 105 (singer dynamic spikes) all night, and he said it was perfect. Everyone seemed to enjoy the band, and he booked us again.
previous bands ran people off with their lack of entertainment value...regardless of volume. That’s almost always the case!
A tight, well rehearsed, powerful sounding, ( notice I didn’t say necessarily loud)-gotta have big shit to sound powerful-and visually exciting band won’t run people off.
And 90db is just...well...
 
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Here is an illustration that should explain a lot. The DJ's don't get told to turn down..

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That’s right...DJ’s don’t get told to turn down. That’s because they’re offering something the people want. Maybe ya need to work on what you’re offering.
 

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We played a place a few months back, where the owner had a SPL meter and digital display of the SPL on the ceiling about 15 ft in front of the stage. He said he'd appreciate it, if we could keep the level below 100 db, as some previous bands had run people off with their volume. We bounced between 95 and 105 (singer dynamic spikes) all night, and he said it was perfect. Everyone seemed to enjoy the band, and he booked us again.
105 is a long way from 90
 


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