Poll - Given a Choice. Please Participate Thanks

Discussion in 'Marshall Amps' started by NewReligion, Aug 9, 2020.

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Please Choose a Single Option From the Two Listed

  1. Silent Footswitchable Simple Clean Channel with Bright Switch. Soon will add Bass & Treble options

    30.7%
  2. Silent Footswitchable Dual Master Volume for Unbeatable Control over your Solo Work

    69.3%
  1. NewReligion

    NewReligion Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    That is pretty close to where this is heading. But the primary gain side will be either or Pandora/EVL/Ascension.

    David
     
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    NewReligion Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Of course the Clean Channel has its own Master but I now see a demand for a Second Master for the Clean.

    Thank you.
     
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    NewReligion Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Deferring the vote defeats the polls purpose. Which is preferred?

    Thanks you, David
     
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    pedecamp Well-Known Member

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    From what I've heard I like the EViL best, I dont know that I've heard the Ascension yet.
     
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    I'll keep it simple, the rhythm in your clip channel 1, the lead in your clip channel 2, foot switchable, done!
     
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    coolidge56, I sort of agree on what you have said, but in manufacturing, which I have been apart of for numerous decades, product appeal is very important but in order to launch a product at an affordable price, the product needs to be acceptable to reasonably wide audience to allow the product to be available on a larger scale. If not then you have crazy priced amplifiers that only wealthy musicians can afford like Trainwreck and Dumble. That is why I ended up with the JVM410H, because I don’t just play heavy rock or metal or music that is usually associated with high to very high gain amps. It’s probably why most of my amps are Fenders. But I do appreciate your point of view.
     
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    I am traveling but will make a point to post each here for you.

    David
     
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    I'd personally choose the clean option BUT I know a lot more would prefer the second option.

    I chose the 2nd, it seems more usuable.
     
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    Ditto, maybe you need to begin with the price point you are targeting. Tough love hat on...the low to medium price broader tube amp market is saturated and with large manufactures who can crush you like a bug on price, warranty, availability, time to market, compliance and certification, liability insurance, etc.

    Then there's the brutally honest social media world you would need to survive where a few sour grapes can take a giant whack out of your business with negative posts. Fortunately you are reaching out here on the Marshall forum, possibly the most amp friendly forum that exists. Countless boutique amp builders have made a brand splash, built a fan base, then gone bust, broke, divorced, demoralized.

    I was talking with the owner of a well known brand that went bust a few months back. It's when their amps became popular that the business took a nose dive into the dirt. Soon he was competing with their own amps in the used market and those used amp buyers were heaping the 'at a loss' support on his company. Huge time suck which is saying, a huge profit suck. Endless phone calls and emails on used amps whittling away at the profit he made when he sold the amp. Then there's the fickle nature of amp buyers, in short order they move on to the next new thing, sales drop sometimes before you even recoup the cost of bringing the amp to market. He made starting and owning a guitar amp business sound like a horrible experience that did some real damage mentally, physically, and financially.

    When I look around the market at the select few who survived and made a living building amps they all have one thing in common, they priced their products with enough margin to make the business viable. At the boutique level of sales that's critical. If you want to sell at scale, build offshore, on lower margins well then you are taking on the big boys at THEIR game.

    Just saying.
     
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    Non of this applies to me. As I have turned many guitarists away.

    I speak personally with each person I help obtain the tone they want as it seems unobtainable by large manufacturers.

    In summary I am picky about those I help. No interest in mass production. Non at all.

    Those here that own my work can testify it is truly boutique. One at a time and does not leave until it is right for that individual.

    I am not concerned about being crushed by competition as there are but a few and we all have our own tone signatures.

    Best Regards.
     
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    No worries I was replying to avspecialist's post mostly.
     
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    dual master!
     
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    Don't use a clean channel. Clean- ish using the volume control is close as I get.
     
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    I don't have enough information to choose. I need an amp with two foot switchable channels. Channel A (Clean) must have a volume control, and channel B (OD) must have both volume and gain controls where the gain is set as low as possible to feed an almost clean signal to the power section.

    Overall volume of the two channels will be controlled by a master volume knob that will keep Channel A clean and drive the power section into distortion when using Channel B's only ever so slightly distorted signal. I don't use solid state pedals for distortion.

    Each channel must have it's own, independent EQ section and reverb level.

    The only amp I know of that will do all of this is the JTM60/JCM600.
     
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    I have gotten so used to running single channel amps that channel switchers just seem unnecessarily complex to me. I would like the option to boost my overall volume for solos, though.
     
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    If I understand you correctly I believe the original pre-2000 G series and before Mesa Dusl Rectifier would suit you well

    Keeping in mind the preamp is basically that of Mike Soldano’s SLO, it’s the power section that is much different. The global master would be part of what you are searching for. However most likely you’ve already tried this.

    Note to Self: Global Master is of interest to some.

    Thanks for posting.

    David
     
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    I am not sure. I use my amp differently than most people that want their distortion from pedals or the preamp. This is my process:

    1. Set EQs for each channel flat (0 dB)
    2. Set all volume and gain controls to 0
    3. Set presence to 5/10
    4. Set Master Volume to 7.5~8/10
    5. Set Volume on Channel A to desired level while maintaining no distortion
    6. Set gain on Channel B to 0.5~1/20 (some gain is required to get an audio signal through the preamp)
    7. Set volume on Channel B to correspond with Channel A (so that the levels are similar when switching between clean and distortion).
    8. Set EQ and reverb for each channel as desired.

    The result is a very loud, chimey, punchy, clean signal on Channel A and the sweet distortion for Channel B is obtained primarily through pushing the power section.

    Also, I use a matched and balanced set of 4 Mullard CV4004s for the preamp and phase inverter. The CV4004 is a special version of the 12AX7. All of the ones that I have bought test at or above 1,200 micromhos, in comparison to 1,000 for the 12AX7. Does that all make sense?
     
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    NewReligion Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Yes. There are so many ways to skin a cat this is very interesting but I know if you guys that like to run in a similar manner.

    David
     
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    I am seeing a definite patter emerge 13 to 23.

    Doesn’t mean a request can’t have both.

    David
     
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    New Religion I agree with your response. Customizing and working for each individual customer is a great way to go. I started designing my own speaker systems for each job starting way back in 1977. There was a lot I liked from the big high end brands, but not always exactly right for each customer. I use different drivers and crossover parts as well as dimensions to fit the room and response I need to deliver for each customer. So far it has worked out well. I have custom built some guitar amplifiers on a case by case basis to meet the needs of the person who is looking for a certain response. Basically I build the cabinets, cover them, assemble the chassis, pick the proper speaker and 40 hours later I have an amp. I’m not getting rich building guitar amps but more or less the satisfaction of being able to give people what they want.
     

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