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Discussion in 'Cabinets & Speakers' started by crossroadsnyc, Jul 17, 2021.
Same here but it's unobtainium, else basketweave.
Don't you mean the opposite? I think the modern basketweave salt and pepper is pretty faithful to the original of the late 60s/early 70s.
No, I didn't mean salt n pepper, I mean't Basketweave which I thought was always Tan/cane.
Think you're confusing dates (and weave come to think of it ), although salt n papper may have been available late 60's ? I don't know.
Salt and pepper is basket weave. It came directly after pinstripe in 1967 and was used till 1973, overlapping with large checkerboard which came in around 1971. Nothing Marshall used is referred to as "cane" or "tan" grill.
Ok, I'm confused.
I thought this was basket weave / cane
And this was salt 'n pepper
If you've got the cash to burn and want Pinstripe Cloth (replica) then get it from here : -
@Dogs of Doom : -
Yes speakers were out of the top cab as it had just been professionally cleaned, the bottom cab was yet to be done.
Salt & Pepper = Basketweave
Your cloth on top is just Cane.
When your Salt & Pepper gets old and faded enough it will look a lot like Cane.
In the pic below, the three cabs on the 2nd level to the left are original salt & pepper cloth from the 60's.
The Naked 4x12 cab (bare plywood) to the right of those three has new salt & pepper cloth, it just hasn't faded..yet.
Hope that helps.
To add to what Scumback stated, that top photo was not used by Marshall (unless they used it on a modern offering I'm not aware of).
I was just giving you a hard time...
Yeah, my 1960ahw/bhw cabs have definitely faded a bit since I first bought them new 10+ years ago. They're nowhere near the color of the cloth on your cabinets up top there, but another 40 years or so should do the trick ... of course, I'd be 86 at that point, so hopefully I'll get to see it someday
While we are on the subject of speakers, here's the correct solution for mounting them to the baffle board.
Should be of great interest, 'specially to Build yer own cab people.....
I wish I'd have known about these years ago....
Ok I see, I'm confusing check with salt n pepper. But I still think the difference between Original cane and say a 1960HW cab salt pepper is big, not even close really.
I don't care about what flavour of cloth it is, just so long as it is cloth (not a metal grille) and also shredded to shit (cause that's how you know it lives its life at gigs, not in basements and bedrooms).
It does seem a good idea, good for home builds and I think other manufacturers used them Orange??, but location is difficult and you'd be surprised how easily a cone gets damaged, I have a cab here with these screws and on inspection all four speakers have tiny holes/tears in the cones, careless yes, well gigged yes, not many people lay a cab on it's face to remove speakers etc, I think I still prefer the normal captive nut.
You don't have to vote...
Yeah... I know that. I was just adding my 2c to the grille cloth discussion.
I didn't vote in the poll because there wasn't an applicable option but I still have a preference in what I like or look for, so that's why I commented instead of voting.
Cool. Welcome to the forum
Awesome, I was starting to think maybe I'd gone against some local custom or something.
But yeah back to the subject, as long as it's cloth and it's fucked up then I'm usually happy with it. I like my tolex to be a bit shredded up too, which is good cause even when I buy brand new, they always end up like that anyway. I do like certain colours of cloth better with certain amps, but that has more to do with matching the vibe of the cab with the head. Even that kinda doesn't matter, but if you can, why not?
I'm not sure why you are saying there is a big difference in comparison to the cane and the salt and pepper Marshall used to use if they never used cane and they are different products? They used pinstripe, then salt & pepper, then large checker, then small checker, then black grill cloth... all with some overlap on some transition years. Each of these are different products to one another. Period.
Go back to your quote of mine, you said modern S n P and original are the opposite to what I said and are basically the same, I disagree, PERIOD. There's a picture of modern SnP up thread and this is nothing like my 1970 cane cab.