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I have owned JCM 2000 DSL's and have never had a problem with the bias drift. It may be the ones I owned were after that. Even if it had that issue I would have just got it fixed because the amps sound great.
I agree with the other comment about how it would have been better this time around using a different name. I also have a DSL 15H and the new DSL 20HR and it is definitely in the DSL family but it isn't the same. I like all three versions I own. They all sound different but all still sound good. There is MARSHALL TONE in all of them!
 

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I've had a JCM 2000 DSL 100 watt head, A 100 watt DSL (Vietnam), and now own a while telexed DSL 40C
with a well broken in Celestion Vintage 30 in it. ALL three amps were EXCELLENT!!!!!
The DSL isn't in the pantheon of great Marshall amps for no reason. I now have settled on the
DSL 40C as it is about the most perfect Marshall amp I have EVER had the good fortune to own.
As a comparison I have the following Marshall amps: A 1978 JMP 2203, A late 1990s JCM 900 MK-III 100 watt,
A Vintage Modern 2466 100 watt, a JTM-60 1x12, a 100 Watt JCM-800 head that was re done with a hand wired
point to point preamp section (the power section and original transformers remain) that is also modded to have
two extra gain stages that are switchable tube driven and a tube buffered efx loop that is also switchable in and out of the circuit,
A JVM 205h, A 1987 100 watt JCM-800 2210, and a 1983 JCM-800 50 watt 2x12.
That White DSL 40c is one of the BEST Marshall amps ever.
 

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What year were all the Bias Drift issues officially fixed?? Was the model year 2006 the first year it was fixed or the last year with the problem?
 

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I never said "all" either and one guy felt i was talking about "his" amp specifically and i never did. I merely touched on the topic and everyone acted like i was making it up. 00.00 F*cks given.

I hope you don't mean me as I never did think you were talking about my amp at all. It's the rude meme that made me wonder. I was not denying the issue, rather, acknowledging it. For some reason, it elicited that response.
Carry on
 

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MybTSL is 2001. I should let it run for awhile and keep checkin it maybe. Never saw any signs of issues before but never tested it. I guess that would be the way to do it? Keep checking over several hours?
 

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Dude my Astoria Dual is landing home tomorrow. I haven't been this pumped about an amp in a long while. All it has to do is be at least as good as my Smallbox (though I think it's probably a little better) and I'll be totally satisfied. Hey, by the way, do you have any audio clips of yours? Also, were you the one who said you're using EL34's instead of KT66's?.

Yes I, and others on the forum, are nowusing EL34's.
Here is a clip of me rehearsing with the band. The amp was still fitted with KT66's at this point....only recorded with a little hand held Zoom recorder in the room, so please excuse the quality....our cover of "Little Black Submarines" by The Black Keys.
 

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that is an automatically delegated badge from the forum. It changes when you reach xx amount of posts. Maybe 50 or 100, IDK right off. So, he could be here for 10 more years & if he never reaches that milestone, it'll still say new member...

I've been using this forum for many years just to look up information. Never logged in much, never had much time. However, since I've been at home for 8 weeks due to a major surgery, I've had some time to interact on the forum. Still a lot of good information here. I might have a beginner badge, but I'm no newb :metal:

I have owned JCM 2000 DSL's and have never had a problem with the bias drift. It may be the ones I owned were after that. Even if it had that issue I would have just got it fixed because the amps sound great.
I agree with the other comment about how it would have been better this time around using a different name. I also have a DSL 15H and the new DSL 20HR and it is definitely in the DSL family but it isn't the same. I like all three versions I own. They all sound different but all still sound good. There is MARSHALL TONE in all of them!

I've have also owned 5 or 6 DSL's over the past 14 years -- including the two last UK made ones which were the 1923 head and the ones that had black piping --and never had a bias drift problem. I kept my DSL100 with black piping for 2 years and only biased it once just because I wanted to try some Valve Art EL34's. Bias was right where it should have been. I kept my 1923 for 1 year and had to replace the tubes as soon as I got it because one of them was broken. Never noticed the tubes sounding like they drifted towards a hotter or colder bias.

I'll tell you on thing though, my UK DSL with black piping for whatever reason was the best damned sounding DSL I've owned. That one brought the mojo. For whatever reason, there was just something about it. I truly regret selling that more than my 1923.

Yes I, and others on the forum, are nowusing EL34's.
Here is a clip of me rehearsing with the band. The amp was still fitted with KT66's at this point....only recorded with a little hand held Zoom recorder in the room, so please excuse the quality....our cover of "Little Black Submarines" by The Black Keys.


I'm surprised that it sounds virtually the same. I was expecting a more noticeable difference, particularly a bit more midrange, slightly less bottom, sweeter top end (whereas the KT66 characteristically has a wider frequency range, deeper low end, extended high end, and balanced midrange). It took me a few listens to catch on, but I'd say I can only detect a little bit more upper mids and maybe a slightly spongier blossom to the chords.

As soon as I started playing mine, I could tell right away that this amp was designed around KT66 tubes. I'm going to throw some EL34's and then KT77's just to see what they sound like, but I'm REALLY liking what I hear right now. If anything, the feel was throwing me off a bit at first because it's so alive and immediate to pick attack. It doesn't let you get away with anything in your technique. The detail in every damned note is amazing.

I'd say the ONLY disappointment, and it's hardly a disappointment, is that I thought there would be a shade bit more gain on tap. Compared to my Smallbox, it's about the same amount of gain, maybe barely a hair less. Takes overdrives even better than the Smallbox too.

Oh yeah, and the FX loop was the biggest surprise. People said the FL loop is very good, but you always hear people say how great Friedman's FX loop is. I've got to say that this FX loop is every bit as good as the Smallbox. In fact, the advantage of being able to turn it off (footswitchable too) and use it as a grandmaster volume is awesome.
 
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I've been using this forum for many years just to look up information. Never logged in much, never had much time. However, since I've been at home for 8 weeks due to a major surgery, I've had some time to interact on the forum. Still a lot of good information here. I might have a beginner badge, but I'm no newb :metal:



I've have also owned 5 or 6 DSL's over the past 14 years -- including the two last UK made ones which were the 1923 head and the ones that had black piping --and never had a bias drift problem. I kept my DSL100 with black piping for 2 years and only biased it once just because I wanted to try some Valve Art EL34's. Bias was right where it should have been. I kept my 1923 for 1 year and had to replace the tubes as soon as I got it because one of them was broken. Never noticed the tubes sounding like they drifted towards a hotter or colder bias.

I'll tell you on thing though, my UK DSL with black piping for whatever reason was the best damned sounding DSL I've owned. That one brought the mojo. For whatever reason, there was just something about it. I truly regret selling that more than my 1923.



I'm surprised that it sounds virtually the same. I was expecting a more noticeable difference, particularly a bit more midrange, slightly less bottom, sweeter top end (whereas the KT66 characteristically has a wider frequency range, deeper low end, extended high end, and balanced midrange). It took me a few listens to catch on, but I'd say I can only detect a little bit more upper mids and maybe a slightly spongier blossom to the chords.

As soon as I started playing mine, I could tell right away that this amp was designed around KT66 tubes. I'm going to throw some EL34's and then KT77's just to see what they sound like, but I'm REALLY liking what I hear right now. If anything, the feel was throwing me off a bit at first because it's so alive and immediate to pick attack. It doesn't let you get away with anything in your technique. The detail in every damned note is amazing.

I'd say the ONLY disappointment, and it's hardly a disappointment, is that I thought there would be a shade bit more gain on tap. Compared to my Smallbox, it's about the same amount of gain, maybe barely a hair less. Takes overdrives even better than the Smallbox too.

Oh yeah, and the FX loop was the biggest surprise. People said the FL loop is very good, but you always hear people say how great Friedman's FX loop is. I've got to say that this FX loop is every bit as good as the Smallbox. In fact, the advantage of being able to turn it off (footswitchable too) and use it as a grandmaster volume is awesome.

Glad you like it....what cab are you using it with, or is it the combo? I did say my clip was recorded some time ago while the amp was still fitted with KT66's, so no surprise you found it sounds like yours.
 

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Glad you like it....what cab are you using it with, or is it the combo? I did say my clip was recorded some time ago while the amp was still fitted with KT66's, so no surprise you found it sounds like yours.

Ah, well then then I must have a decent ear after all. I thought it sounded pretty much the same. I've been using the Astoria through a 65 Creamback 1x12 oversize cab. I have a 2x12 with a V30+CL80, so I'll give that a try next. My Creamback isn't broken in yet so it's still kind of papery, but I aim to change that very soon once the wife is away :headbanger:How about you? Were you using Greenbacks or Rolas or something vintagey for speakers?

Oh yeah, how much easier do you get breakup with EL34's?

... crap, I derailed my own thread.
 
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Ah, well then then I must have a decent ear after all. I thought it sounded pretty much the same. I've been using the Astoria through a 65 Creamback 1x12 oversize cab. I have a 2x12 with a V30+CL80, so I'll give that a try next. My Creamback isn't broken in yet so it's still kind of papery, but I aim to change that very soon once the wife is away :headbanger:How about you? Were you using Greenbacks or Rolas or something vintagey for speakers?

Oh yeah, how much easier do you get breakup with EL34's?

... crap, I derailed my own thread.
The gain is definitely more focused with EL34's, and maybe a little earlier. The speaker is a G12H-30 Greenback with a 55htz cone.
 

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The gain is definitely more focused with EL34's, and maybe a little earlier. The speaker is a G12H-30 Greenback with a 55htz cone.

Man I thought it might be Greenbacks when you told me you recorded it with KT66's still in it. Cool. I'm a total gear whore - speakers, pickups, guitars, amps, pedals, I try anything and everything I can get my hands on. Don't even get me started on the EVH vs Greenback thing, but if you ever want a more aggressive Greenback, try the EVH speaker.
 

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Man I thought it might be Greenbacks when you told me you recorded it with KT66's still in it. Cool. I'm a total gear whore - speakers, pickups, guitars, amps, pedals, I try anything and everything I can get my hands on. Don't even get me started on the EVH vs Greenback thing, but if you ever want a more aggressive Greenback, try the EVH speaker.
Yeah....same speaker as the 20watt Heritage Greenback. From what I've read the only difference is the magnet cover sticker.
 

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Yeah....same speaker as the 20watt Heritage Greenback. From what I've read the only difference is the magnet cover sticker.

I was under that impression at first too, then got one and went back and forth and the EVH seemed to have a more aggressive midrange for whatever reason. I've seen people argue about it in various Internet threads, but directly in comparing them, there was a difference. Both new speakers, so maybe break-in had something to do with it.
 

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[QpornUOTE="rrguitar1, post: 1680891, member: 51524"]I've owned both. I purchased the dsl100h back in Oct, so I've had a few months playing it now.

I honestly think that they are extremely close tonally. Marshall may state that their identical, but I sold my jcm2000 a few years back, so I don' have them side by side.

I love my dsl100h, and have zero issues so far. I knew what I was expecting out of it and it deliveres. I play classic rock/ classic metal and it's awesome.

Can't go wrong with either. For the price of a new dsl100h, it's a no Brainer imo.

Btw..something about the new ones just released that I don' like tone wise.[/QUOTE]
I agree with rrg1 that they are very much alike , I got to say me and DSL do not speak the same language. You can get good tones but will it kick your teeth out ?
My JCM 900 DR did but again like all powerful power sections they are more than loud My complaint with the DSL not enough power in the power section. It has a fancy pre amp I just ..... What ever , they are great:2c::lalala:
 

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only issue ive had with my JCM 2000 dsl 401
is than its starting to have a slight delay powering up
after I turn the power on. prolly 2 sec or so.
no idea as to whats causing it. any ideas guys?
 


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