Need advice: SOAD metal tone with Marshall SC20H?

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  1. Old Punker

    Old Punker Well-Known Member

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    Hi all. I know some of you guys play heavier stuff on your Studio Classic amps. I've liked System of a Down for a long time but I've never had an amp that I thought was capable enough in stock form. I know they used layered tracks and a lot of studio tricks producing their Toxicity album, but would it be possible to get Daron Malakian's core (distorted) guitar tone using my SC20H without doing any permanent mods to the amp, and at a neighbor-friendly volume? I mean convincingly close, not exact. I know he used LP's and SG's as well as JCM 800's. Here is an example of what I'm after:


    or this (different album)


    I would appreciate any tips, suggestions, a starting point? Here's what I currently have to work with:
    • Marshall SC20H + SC212 cab (all stock)
    • Fryette Power Station PS-2
    • Gibson Les Paul Studio (498T), Gibson SG '61 Standard (57 Classics)
    • Boss SD-1, GE-7, BD-2, DOD 250 ri, RAT 2
    I would like to get most of my gain (and tone) from my amp, as little as possible from my pedal(s). I am willing to get a new pedal or other gear, if required.

    I'm not saying that I can play like DM, but I want to at least get the tone right and then work on the rest. I'm mostly a punk player...but would like to add some metal skills!

    Please let me know if this tone is not achievable with the SC20H.

    Thanks! :cheers:
     
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    clutch71 Well-Known Member

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    Les Paul>Boss SD-1 (level maxed, gain and tone @noon)>into SC20. Gain @3 o'clock. mids, bass, treb, presence to taste.
     
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    Dogs of Doom Moderator Staff Member

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    he really doesn't have a very "driven" sound. The bass has more drive than the guitar, that's why when the bass & everything are ramped up, it really gets there. Listen to the guitar, when the bass drops out.

    That's the sound you're going for.
     
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    Old Punker Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! Do you cover any SOAD?
     
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    Old Punker Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I vaguely remember trying this years ago with my LP Studio through a Mesa Express 5:50 burn channel. I think I turned the bass up too high and it all turned to mush. I also figured it wasn't quite the right amp for it.
     
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    you could probably get that w/ a Mesa...
     
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    You have all the gear to do it.

    First: Drop C or Drop D Tuning.

    Second: Another very important factor in any drop tuning that is often not discussed is a Noise Gate. Very important to tighten everything up which brings me to...

    Third: Boss SD-1 ( as mentioned above). Clean boosted to drive your input. Don't use a lot of gain on your Marshall, let the SD-1 pummel that input. This pedal works fantastic with an ISP Decimator noise gate that I currently run.


    Start your Marshall off with some good chunky bass and good amount of mids. Don't use too much Treble ( very, very small touch ..its where the fizz lives) Presence to taste for some added sparkle.

    With the Drop Tuning, everything will sound fat and tight in tandem with your gear!
     
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    Old Punker Well-Known Member

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    @Neptical Thanks! I am not clear on the noise gate. Currently I have no noise-related issues with my SC20H (even when boosted), and doesn't the SD-1 already tighten everything up? I went to the Decimator site and got confused :scratch:. Does the noise gate go in the FX loop?
    SD-1 level max, drive ?
     
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    Yes some not in a band though. You just need the SD-1 to add a touch of drive to the SC20.
     
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    The gain in the second tune is not high at all actually, but it's got some chug. Seems more Mesa territory, but I think a raw JCM 800 will do it nicely too.

    Very rectifier sounding in the first one.
     
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    @Old Punker You're welcome my friend. The SD-1 (volume max, tone max, gain zero) tightens your tone while the Noise Gate filters out any unwanted hums,buzzes,noise,etc between your riffs. It just further tightens everything together. Very handy for anyone playing with a good amount of gain, palm muting syncopated riffs, etc. I have an ISP Decimator before my amp after my SD-1. Works like a charm.
     
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    My grandson used to get a very good tone for SOAD using at first a Dsl40c - paired up with his TH30 Orange amp
    The tuning is the key and the SD1, he does it now with just the Orange, and SD1, but I am just repeating what has already been said, play around with the drive knob on the SD1. Level max, tone at noon , drive at 9:00 give that a shot.
    Cheers
     
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    Mitchell Pearrow Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    I had just caught my error in my post and edited it ha ha
     
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    Thanks Mitch! Yeah, I thought you meant 'drive' anyway. :cheers:
     
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    Yea I caught it when I went back to read it lol
     
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    I read somewhere he used both Marshall's and Rectifiers.
     
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    Old Punker Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the tips guys, much appreciated!

    Now all I have to do is replace the 8 month old strings on my Les Paul and give it a try.
    :D
     
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    Isn't this more into 6505 territory?

    Just get a Peavey Vypyr for $50-70, a Bugera 6262 for $200ish, or a Peavey 6505 112 combo for $300-350 imho
     
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    Didn’t he use a Mode 4? Or did he just endorse them...?
     
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    A lot of great answers, but like most posts around tone, no one has mentioned anything about pickups.
    To get someone's specific tone, I would imagine this would be intergral.
    Pick up selection has become an obsession for me.
     
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