Marshall Dsl40hr Head ?

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Why do you suppose that Marshall refuses to produce a DSL40HR in a head version?

  1. Not enough interest...

  2. They will at a latter date....

  3. They already offer a 20 watt or 100 watt Head... No need for a 40.

  4. They should already!

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  1. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Hmmm, I don’t think so. I thought two EL34s would be used in a 40 and 50 watt amps, 4 EL34s for 100 watts,...but you could be right.

    The Studio Series are 20 watts and Marshall decided to go with 2 EL34s instead of EL84s.
     
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  3. JBA

    JBA Well-Known Member

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    Another spin on the weight would be to consider that we would arrive pretty close to 42lbs just taking the speaker out of the DSL40. Then subtract almost 12” off the wood on the front, back, and sides. So my guess would be no more than 37-38lbs... ?
     
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  4. JBA

    JBA Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I was speaking about the DSL as this was in keeping with the O.P.

    40 or 50 watts clean for me with one efficient speaker is the smallest I would ever go beside an acoustic set, so therefore this being what I actually need. Of course if they pulled off an ultra light 100watt Marshall head I might be tempted.... but.... I also know that pushing a 40/50 watt amp dirty at my required levels sounds sweeter to me than running a 100watter down 3 dB to match this level. Need another 3 dB... add another 12”.. need 6db More use a 4x 12.. now the amp always runs in “the pocket”. For me the twenty watt head needs a 2x12 right off the hop to keep up cleanish to an acoustic set, and what else would a poor old customer do once he discovers he needs a bit more kick than his 20w... buy a 100 watt head. Marketing 1, customer, 0....$
     
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    The width of a DSL40HR would probably be increased from 24.4" to the standard head size of 29.1".
    That would increase the chassis size too, negating some of the weight savings.

    So a better example may be that of the JVM205H / JVM215C weight ratio, which gives a factor of 0.67. (39/58=0.67)
    That would (speculatively) make a DSL40HR (50 lbs x 0.67) weigh in at 33.5 lbs!

    Though, if you take out the difference in speaker weight (3.8 lbs) the factor is 39/54.2=0.72, i.e. JVM205H/JVM215C (with a V-Type)
    50 lbs x 0.72 = 36 lbs.

    This is all guesswork though, however logical I may have made it seem. :fingersx:
     
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    SkyMonkey Well-Known Member

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    Also, does anyone know the sales figures for the JCM2000 DSL401 vs DSL50 head?
    The market research may have already been done by Marshall if the combo spanked the head.
     
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  7. JBA

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    Wow, just searched the weight of the origin 50H. Came up as 26lbs, that’s pretty amazing if that’s even correct..?
     
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    Mitchell Pearrow Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    That’s about what it feels like, not to heavy at all.
    Cheers
     
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    Mitchell Pearrow Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The 40C chassis will fit in the 3210 lead 100 mosfet head shell, but all controls will be upside down.
    Somewhere on the official Dsl40c information thread someone’s already done that conversion.
    Cheers
     
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    I’ll mention it in the classifieds, but I’ll be selling my Stagecraft head shell. It’s designed for the DSL40CR chassis (not DSL40C). It’s a super well made piece of kit but running this amp through my 1960 cabinet is just too dang loud in my little basement studio. I don’t know what I was thinking.
     
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  11. rolijen

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    I am beginning to prefer my DSL20HR and MX212AR over my DSL40CR. For at home chuggery, it delivers the goods at comfortable volumes without any attenuation or other trickery.

    The 40 sounds better with the volume up a bit. But, at lower volumes, the 20 out thumps it. The DSL20HR being limited to just two voices (vs the four on the 40CR) isn’t a bad thing for me. I have dialed in a great clean tone on the Classic Gain channel by A/B-ing the 20HR with my 1987x (and greenback-loaded 4x12 cab) sitting next to it. The Ultra Gain channel is glorious. With the gain anywhere between 10:00 and 12:00, I’m getting that JCM800-esque sound I love so much. I can turn both Master volumes up to half in 10 watt mode and it sounds fantastic without waking the wife and kids. I have to be a little more careful in 20 watt mode, but still, the 20HR rocks at low volume.

    Oh, the reverb on my 20HR is deep and lush—much better than the reverb on the 40CR. It’s very useable with the clean channel.

    I really like the 40CR, but trying it as a head changed my perspective a bit and, for what I do, I find myself using the 20HR more now.
     
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    1st rule of sales is to upsell the customer. A dsl40 watt head, with the current price points, would probably be $649 - $699. This price would attract many and also piss off many who spent $899 on the dsl100h, only to find out how loud 100 watts really was in a non-gigging/small- gigging situation. Those people would be the ones who would consequently only use the 50 watt setting with shades of buyers remorse. Thus, Marshall would lose out on $200 which is almost 30% of the cost of a proposed dsl40hr. Plus, at that price, the dsl 20 would take a hit in sales because the 40 could essentially do 20 watts too, and for $150 more, go to 40. Also, when you're a young amp buyer, more watts always seems like the answer/better deal... remember those days????

    And just my :2c:, I am not a fan, even though I have one, of the R series "updates." A bright cap mod was all you needed on the 1st series which have, IMO, a spongier feel; the new R series are super stiff in the clean channel. A proper dsl40c suits my needs better than a dsl40cr.
     
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    I think a 50/25w small box head would be nice with 3 channels (EVH style)
    I would think the 40w Cr with a 50w output transformer might be nice.
    I never owned the CR but the old 40c lacked punch , maybe a better output transformer would have cured that. My old JMD 50 had more punch !
     
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  14. rolijen

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    Added casters to my DSL20/MX212 stack. Not a five minute operation, but this pair now stands up level with my plexi half stack next to it. Full details of the simple steps to add Marshall casters to lesser cabinets are in the Cabinets forum here.

    Here’s a pic:
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    scozz Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Great looking rig!

    Did you change out the stock 70/80 speakers from that cab?
     
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    Not yet. Surprisingly, they don’t suck in this cabinet. The 70/80 in my DSL40C was terrible—ice picky and fizzy. But, I had them in a horizontal MX212 and they sounded great. In this vertical, angled MX212AR, they also don’t suck.

    That said, if I do end up replacing the speakers, my plan would be is take the V-Types out of my SV212 and replace them with G12M-25 greenies. Then, put the V-Types in the MX212AR. I need to be very thoughtful though because I think there is probably only one more chance to get the back off without busting off the corners (I was very careful taking it apart for the caster upgrade, but I could tell this MDF isn’t very robust. I think you get at most one shot at speaker upgrades with these MX cabs.) I don’t want to be one of those Forumites who had the speaker T-nuts break out of the MDF.
     
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  17. JBA

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    Weird, must be a tolerance thing. I have had two of the Mx212’s. They were both tight enough that I need to take my plug plates out to “pull” the back off. I’ve Lost count on how many speaker swaps for side by side comparisons I’ve done with these cabs with no issue or without stripping anything.. although I am always very cautious. G12m-25’s sounded best in this cab with a custom open back cover I made for the enclosures. The 70/80’s were just fine clean To light classic rock but I would rather kick them in then use them with anything more than some light dirt lol! (Sorry.. just another useless Personal opinion haha). V type was just an ok allrounder for me.
     
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    Thanks for the insight. Your experience helps me feel less worried about trying a speaker swap. I will be very careful. Glad you liked the 25-watt greenbacks best. I think that’s what I’ll go for when I upgrade.
     
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    rolijen Well-Known Member

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    Here’s the shell to make your DSL40CR into a head:

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