Marshall Dsl40hr Head ?

Discussion in 'Marshall Amps' started by Springfield Scooter, Apr 22, 2018.

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Why do you suppose that Marshall refuses to produce a DSL40HR in a head version?

  1. Not enough interest...

  2. They will at a latter date....

  3. They already offer a 20 watt or 100 watt Head... No need for a 40.

  4. They should already!

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  1. Springfield Scooter

    Springfield Scooter Well-Known Member

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    Why do you suppose that Marshall refuses to produce a DSL40HR in a head version?

    No interest?
    Duplication via the DSL20HR or 100HR?
    Do you think they eventually will do a 40 head, after sales dwindle?
     
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    Georgiatec Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Looking for something I don't remember what.
    Coz the 100w switches to 50w?
     
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    Gene Ballzz Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but it doesn't switch to 20 watts, now does it?

    Just Switchin'
    Gene
     
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  4. LCW

    LCW Well-Known Member

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    Then get the 20HR head ;)
     
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    Gene Ballzz Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't have the same features, now does it? Not trying to be obtuse here, but I guess the point is that every other wattage version (except no 100 watt combo) is available in head or combo format and it would just make sense to do the same with the 40 watt! Of course, arguing and nitpicking for the sake of arguing and nitpicking can be a favorite pastime for some!
    Just My Head,
    Gene
     
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  6. treewiz

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    I love my DSL40CR and also wish Marshall would produce a DSL40HR. Makes perfect sense to me. I could use it the same way with all the features I really like with the DSL40CR, with any speaker cab I choose. Also I could bring it with me to gigs where I could have a back up if necessary and plug it right into the speaker of my combo. I really have been digging my new DSL40CR and I have had a ton of amps and gear including an AXE-FX II which I really dig but this combo amp just sounds and feels so organic and well, "MARSHALL" to me as it should. It has the vibe I always prefer!
     
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    Thats a sweet addition, but why go thru all the expense of the 40 and than the $ to get the head cab when one could just get another head for that $ amount?
    I wish they just offered the 40 just like the 20h n 100h..
    That would be a sweet thing for alot of us, just enough ass to power a small gig with the right cab, and still have enough ass to piss off the neighbors:band:
    But than again thats just my thought.
     
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    Mojotone makes a headshell for the 40.
     
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    Not enough people want one. Even 100 people on the web wanting one is a small percentage of their customer base so it’s not worth it for them. I had Stagecraft make me a head cab and I couldn’t be happier.
     
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    Springfield Scooter Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if a DSL40c head cab, would be exactly the same cabinet as the new DSL40CR ????
     
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    Here’s my DSL40HR:
    517C52D6-6B7F-4C0C-86D1-824810C1CD67.jpeg

    Just loaded it into a Stagecraft head shell. This setup absolutely rocks. So much easier to use with the knobs higher.
     
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    Ya but they still haven’t figured out how to build an anti gravity circuit that cuts the weight in half. Until they figure this out a DSL40 head could bridge that gap. :fever:
     
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    Mitchell Pearrow Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    That looks great bro, looks like the one FracStrat made as well.
    Cheers
     
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  15. Gain Man

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    I guess it is quite simple:
    modern amps don't need power amp saturation to sound good and if you want it, then both 100W and 40W (or 50W) would be too loud and that's where the 20W amps come into play.
    The difference between a DSL100H and a hypothetical DSL40H (or DSL50H) is essentially that both are loud as f***, but the 100W version will sound a bit bigger. So why bother building a 40W (50W) version?
     
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  16. JBA

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    -Weight
    -Cost
    -20 watts can’t play loud enough clean beside most drummers.
    -The 40’s have completely blown away sales of the 20 and 100 combined because it’s the most practical package out there.

    I like head so I always want that option: Can’t understand a guy that wouldn’t??? If head is not available you WILL think about getting it elsewhere... like from some other manufacture or random bar. :naughty:
     
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    I do have to admit, I have never compared the weights of 100W and 50W heads. Is the difference significant? I don't know. I am interesting in reading some first hand experience about that.

    I would be interested to see the sales figures (or number of amps built) of each the 100W and 50W heads during the time Marshall still built both with otherwise identical features (JCM 800, JCM 900, JCM 2000 DSL, JVM2).

    You are bringig up the 40's. Do you mean 40/50W amps in general or are you referring to the DSL 40? The problem with this comparison is, the DSL 40 comes only as a combo, so it is a different kind of package all together.

    Even though I myself play a 50W head, I guess times have changed and as much as I sometimes question the marketing decisions made at Marshall, it seems like 50-Watters have become a bit of an orphan:

    If you want an amp with clean headroom when playing with a loud drummer and are willing to carry the weight (literally), you might as well get a 100W head and get a beafier sound.

    If you don't need the headroom and like your power amp saturated, 50W is still too much and the package too heavy, so people discover the compact 20-Watters as the way to go.
     
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    The JVM series has 50W (39 lbs) and 100W (49 lbs) heads.
    The JVM215C is 58 lbs, so 19 lbs heavier than the JVM205H.

    The DSL100HR is 53 lbs.
    If the same JVM 50/100 weight ratio is applied to the DSL100H (i.e. x 0.8) a production DSL40HR should be ~42.5 lbs.

    The DSL40CR is 50 lbs, but has a lighter speaker than the JVM215C (7.2 lbs vs 11 lbs).
    Also, you would expect the DSL40HR production head dimensions to be the same as the DSL100HR.

    Another thing though, I have seen someone on the MF state that the 40CR circuit simply omits 2 power amp tubes from the DSL100HR design.
    Has anyone checked that the 40CR isn't actually 50W.
    The 40W DSL401 was 40W, and had a totally different design to the 50W and 100W heads of the DSL MkI series.
    Could the 40W designation actually be a legacy of the DSL401 combo, since the MkII and MkIII 40W(?) and 100W amps are almost identical in design?
     
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  19. scozz

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    Yeah and The Bandit too!

    @BanditPanda

    It would be nice if the Dsl line came with a Dsl40hr and a Dsl100cr,...but I’m not sure if a Dsl100cr would sell. Pretty sure the 40hr would though.
     
  20. Gain Man

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    That is about 30% difference. Who would have thought? Thanks.

    Didn't the old DSL 40W combos even have 4 EL84s in them?
     
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