Locking Tuners

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  1. ricksdisconnected

    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    ok guys i got a question. i know we have covered this topic
    before but i think its been a while. since we have new folks
    and this question is opinion based im gonna bring it up again.

    i have a highway one strat im looking to put locking tuners on.
    (if you have any for sell PM me)
    whats your fav Locking Tuners and why?
    2nd question, which tuners do you NOT like and why?
     
  2. RCM 800

    RCM 800 Well-Known Member

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    Ive used Fender and Gotoh. Both work fine.
     
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    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    Ping built Fender tuners?
     
  4. Matthews Guitars

    Matthews Guitars Well-Known Member

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    Schaller tuners are the ONLY tuners I use or recommend. In 35 years using them I've never had a bad one come my way, or had one break, or had to replace a broken one,
    even when working as a guitar shop tech. I honestly can say that no other brand of tuners has as good a track record in my own experience.
     
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    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    @Matthews Guitars ,
    those are my favs by a long shot bro. your 100%
    on their quality. what do you think about sperzel?
    i ask because they are lighter and seem to come on
    a lot of higher end guitars. you got any used schallers
    you might part with?
     
  6. Matthews Guitars

    Matthews Guitars Well-Known Member

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    I've seen Sperzels that had stripped out bushings. They're good if you don't overtorque them.

    I routinely put Schaller M6 locking tuners on my guitars and I replace the stock metal buttons with ebony, which makes them MUCH lighter.

    I tried out a set of PRS Phase III locking tuners on the guitar in my avatar. Cost about 200 bucks. I wanted them to be "correct" for that guitar,
    which I built as my own personal toy and based on a specific PRS guitar that inspired me. (Not identical to, but inspired by.) I honestly think those 200
    dollar PRS tuners are worth maybe 40 bucks. They're not that great. Their knob tension needs to be readjusted too often for my tastes, and I don't
    like open back tuner designs for obvious reasons relating to dust and dirt having an easy path into the gears.

    Schallers are lifetime tuners. You'll only replace them because eventually the gold, chrome, or nickel plating will start to wear out.

    My least favorite "good" tuner brand is Grover. Just don't like them at all. I've pulled brand new Grovers out of the package....>TWICE...<... that had not
    had their bodies threaded to accept their bushings, when I worked at a music shop as a guitar tech/repairman. They missed that important step simply
    because they did not test assemble the bushings to each tuner body before packing them up. That level of slack-ass quality control never flies with me,
    and between that and my general dislike for the feel of Grovers, they earned my "Do not recommend" award.

    I've actually taken Grovers off a 70s Gibson guitar, put Schallers back on it (which it orignally came with) and thrown the Grovers in the trash. I'd never
    use them or recommend them, so why not?
     
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    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    good info and thank you for your reply. i had hopes you
    would chime in on this too.
     
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    IOSEPHVS Well-Known Member

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    Sperzel Trim-Lock gets my vote. My guitar is 25 years old and they still work like new.
     
  9. anitoli

    anitoli Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Floyd with nut lock, then anything behind is irrelevant.
     
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    Schallers are better, but $16 Chinese Kmise are surprisingly ok too
     
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    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    my normal go to setup, but not a option here.
     
  12. junk notes

    junk notes Well-Known Member

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    Not all guitars with double locking tremolos require the same principles to be applied. The string retainer bar is important to the system keeping the strings at an angle, so that when locking down the individual nut, stay at the least, near the tuned pitch right before tightening down the nut before the fine-tuners take over.
    If there is no retainer present the fine tuners will have to be preset in range to compensate +/-.
    The Kahler Spyder locking nut as a built-in retainer bar designed into the locking nut, held down by two mini machine screws. At times after locking down, you notice that you would have to compensate with the string slightly below pitch prior to locking down the individual nut.
    One big headache with no retainer of some sort. YMMV
     
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    Trumpet Rider Well-Known Member

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    I have two guitars with Sperzels. No problems over the last 20 years with them, and they make string changes much faster.
     
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    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    ive never heard of any issues with these either Rider.
     
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    IOSEPHVS Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, it takes less than a minute to change a string.
     
  16. Matthews Guitars

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    With locking Schallers, the string changes are very fast, too. But I have a very good set of Excelta nippers in every guitar case.

    I never do lock twists when using ANY Schallers, locking or not. With lockers, one wrap plus the lock is sufficient. Without lockers, two wraps around the post on plain strings will always hold. One wrap for wound strings. You really never need more if you have good tuners.

    In 35 years of stringing up guitars, the only times I've ever had strings slip off at the tuning machines was when I had less than two wraps on a plain string.

    The most common string failures I've had was the ball end wrap slipping and breaking, almost always when bending to stretch out a new string. I go for HUGE bends when
    stretching them out, because I want to be sure they WON'T break after stretch-out. . I fix this by soldering the ball end on all plain strings. Then the wrap never slips,
    and if the string breaks, it's not due to that.

    Sometimes I see a Gordian Knot wrapped around somebody's tuners and just think, "WHY??". You don't need nine wraps around the post!
     
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    Filipe Soares Well-Known Member

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    I really like the gotoh magnum locks.

    Why?

    1 They look normal
    2 their locking mechanism is very simple, so less stuff to break
    3 they are cheap
    4 they weight as much as a non locking tuner

    I have been using them for more than 15 years and no issues so far. BTW @ricksdisconnected the oldest set I have is installed in the ESP Strat you saw in the 80s thread.
     
  18. cruisemates

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    Have you ever messed with these crazy things from PRS? Phase 1 locking tuners?

    I had a Custom 24 with these - hated them.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. ricksdisconnected

    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    jeez those are ugly lol.
     
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    I disagree. Locking tuners make string changing much faster and easier.

    I have them on my Strat, and will have them on the next Strat as well (and maybe my Tele too at some point). I put them in my Les Paul as well, but went back to the stock Kluson just because the adapter eyelets I purchased (my LP has the "modern" 10mm pits) weren't doing their job too well. No issue with the tuners though, as mentioned they look good, are super stable, and make string changes a breeze. Love them.
     

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