Jazz Guitar = Pain

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  1. Marshall Stack

    Marshall Stack Well-Known Member

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    Trying to learn jazz. It is impossible to stretch my fingers to some of these chords and I have long fingers.

    Anyone here play?
     
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    Hey man! I've been trying as well! I had a thread going on it in the Cellar a while back... I've found that it does get a bit easier, and that there are multiple ways and positions to play all of the chords, so something like the C6 is tough in the third fret position but a lot easier higher up the neck. I've also found that you end up moving your fret hand wrist a lot more than playing something like rock or blues.

    And the Cubs still suck!

    EDIT: Here's a link to the thread: https://www.marshallforum.com/threads/jazz.118191/
     
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    JP335 is a jazz guy.
     
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    I've studied it. Don't sound like a jazz player at all though (especially as soon as I start to play themes).
    Though it is useful for understanding lots of genres, especially old school soul/RnB/funk (as most of the players in these genres are jazz musicians at heart, Nile Rodgers or the guys in Tower of Power being fine examples).

    One thing I've learnt is, you don't need to play the whole chord for the suspensions to sound right, for example the 5th is often implied by the other notes, so playing the 9th/11th/13th is key. Check out Mike Stern, he plays pretty compact shapes but mostly plays the "color" notes of the chord when comping.
    And overall, learning all different shapes of a given chord, then understanding how to add the 9th/11th/13th, helps a lot.
    Then it's a matter of understanding the way it articulates rhythmically (which is where I personally fail).
     
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    I bought a Ibanez George Benson guitar. Not because of him, I just like it. Steve Howe of Yes is my favorite guitar player (along with Gilmour) and I'm trying to learn his music. I like the song Undun by the Guess Who and the guitar player has a video on YouTube showing how to play it. He showed what jazz method books he used for the substitutions. I bought them and an trying to learn. It is old school jazz and I also have a modern jazz book. Kind of similar.
     
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    I'm still doing the theory DVDs. Starting to really learn more as it gets father in..
     
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    On YouTube check out Jens Larsen and Marc Saguin of jazzguitarlessons.net
     
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    After I learned "Skating" by Guialdi ir became the only Jazz song I played.

    So I quit Jazz and that fixed it.
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    Jens Larsen is all over youtube. He is too advanced for me.
     
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    Jazz guitarists get chicks AND pizza...
     
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    If I'm gonna play jazz, it's gonna be on drums. Not really a jazz player, but I like to pretend I know what I'm doing.
     
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    You need to go through his videos on his channel. A lot of his stuff is advanced but he has a lot of stuff, like different ways of playing chords or exercises to learn triads, that are really great. There is a little bit of osmosis that happens if you watch stuff that is way over your head, because as you keep coming back to it, it will start to click as you learn more. Or it will help you make connections about other basic concepts that you're learning.
     
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    A buddy on guitar and myself on the snare messing around, improvising something that resembles jazz :D



    - Nylon string guitar
    - Snare w/ brushes and a metal tray (as a "hi hat")
    - SM57 + SM58 using ORTF method - outdoors
     
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    Yeah, just like tuba players get girls and pizza :rofl:

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    Food? Check. Couch? Check. TV? Check.

    Looks highly unlikely to freak out and lose her sh!t at the prospect of having to stay indoors on said couch for the next few months? Check.

    She still even bothers to do some semblance of makeup.

    All good by 2021 standards.
     
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    :funny::rofl: but sooo true!
     
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    It's deadly accurate lol. Could you just imagine if this kind of "truth" was actually used in food advertising lol...we wouldn't have such an obesity problem in the country (well, we probably would, but it would help). If only fast food chains used people that look like this in their ads folks might think twice about making it a staple of their diet (Pizza, Checkers, Bojangles, etc). I'm pretty sure if you eat that crap several times a day/week/years you more than likely look like the woman with the pizza above and not the thin model chick with great legs and a tiny waist shown in the commercial lol. EDIT: Not saying there's anything wrong with that obviously, would just be funny to see them be a little more accurate with their ads.
     
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    yeah but metal guitar players get chicks covered in pizza sauce. :drool:
     
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    That might be helpful since it would cover up their smell since they probably don't shower. :agreed:
     
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    damn what chicks are you playing to? lol
     
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