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In search of authentic plexi tones at practical volumes and setups

Discussion in 'Marshall Amps' started by usablefiber, Jun 8, 2021.

  1. WellBurnTheSky

    WellBurnTheSky Well-Known Member

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    Well, sound pressure levels are a matter of public health. Prevents knuckleheads from damaging your hearing just because they think it's a good idea to blast sound way beyond sensible levels. And yeah, they enforce these laws. As a house engineer, it also gives me the tools to have some control over stupid engineers that rely on sheer SPL instead of being able to actually mix stuff. Plus the newer regulations setting the max levels in dBC instead of dBA have the added benefit of controlling the over-reliance on subwoofers. Hence better mixes. Win win.
     
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    Yes. You need to be careful. Having a long enough cord helps too. :D
     
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    Fargen Mini Plex
     
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    Just left Nashville on vacation. Guitar player had a vintage Marshall super trem /w 4-12. The strip had 2 streets with nothing but bands butt up next to each other on micro stages.
     
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    Every band was up front in a store front window. If you’ve never been there it’s really something to see. Just leave the kids in the hotel or at home.
     
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    Funny how, with the introduction of these smaller amps, what's been considered a regular guitar amp for decades is now being referred to as "giant".
     
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    scozz Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Where is this, I’m pretty sure it’s Europe right? France?
     
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    Yep France.
     
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    bedroom volume to me, means that everyone within a 10 house radius can hear it, in their bedroom...
     
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    Another option I think that is getting over looked a lot is a MIAB pedal and a nice pedal platform amp. I have been really enjoying this method for late night jamming. Between my Dirty Shirley OD and Lovepedal JTM OD thru my Bassbreaker 45 and I can get pretty satisfying tone and feel to be honest.

    Not a Plexi but a radio tube style amp like my Alamo Capri make the perfect bedroom amp. It's pushing maybe 2 watts but is much quieter than a DSL1 even and has way better breakup at fairly low volume. It's tube rectified so it sags and squishes wonderfully without making your ears rings. It would be fantastic to have a Marshall voiced amp like this, these little radio tubes sound pretty damn good. Makes me wonder if I can find a modder to mod this little Alamo to be more Marshally.
     
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    The quick easy answer is SV20. The slightly harder question is how to make it work at a volume you can live with. Sounds good though.... I think part of the volume issue is the treble but of course that's what makes it a plexi. Get the volumes up to 7 or more and it's better. A bit better still with GT mullard replicas in there.
     
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    Haha!
     
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    ecxactly what ive just done
     
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    For bedroom playing I was using a DSL 5C with a greenback, switched it out for a G10 Gold, wen't back to the greenback, then got a JTM 1 watt head with a 1x12 cab loaded with a 25 watt greenback, switched for a scumback M75 20 Watt PVC and haven't touched my DSL in months.
     
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    This works.
    I can get good tone without volume with good pedals.
    There is no substitute for the feel of a big amp at volume.
    The louder you can get, the closer you'll get to that feel.
    If there's a magic formula for volume, without volume, I'm not aware if it.
     
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    Well there is just no replacement for displacement but I think most guitarist should know this.

    I'm not bummed with my low volume tones at all, I'm actually quite happy and impressed. Waaay back when I was a noob I couldn't get decent tone if it hit me in the face plus technology and pedal tech is so much more advanced than when I was a beginner. The options for low volume "tone" are pretty good and with some practice/experience you can make any amp sound good at any volume.
     
  19. Denis St Guinefort

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    It all depends on how picky you are. Options are available though a 5W tube full out is still way too loud. A 15W tube amp full out is 1/2 as loud as a 100W one. Graphically, the curve tapoers off quite quickly over 15W.

    From my experience since 1973, such amps give their sound only at high volume (plexis). After decades of experimenting with a serious case of GAS to boot, I obtained something very close using my can with a 12" Greenback with the following: an Electro-Harmonix 2.5W pedal amp with a high quality pedal, in my case a Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret Red. Others works very well such as by the same manufacturer's Sabracadabra for Laney and even the very affordable Boss DS-1 works extremely well. The EH trick's resides in its presence switch. Since I live in an apartment, it works to satisfaction with the EH volume at 9 O'clock. It would sound very well through your 4X12 without breaking the bank. As far as I know, it's my fav practice rig. Give it a try at your local store.
     
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    Gigged for years with a 1959 super lead into 8 12” Celestions. Then focused on jazz for the next 15 years and switched to Fender and Roland amps. In recent years, I have eased back into classic rock and have enjoyed a great 50 watt plexi (1987x) running into 4 12” greenbacks.

    But, more recently, I am facing the reality that I’m not getting any younger and I need to protect my hearing. After reading many positive reviews here, I acquired an SV20h. While it totally is in the plexi zone, it sounds weak sauce compared to my 1987x. If you’ve never played a 100 watt or 50 watt plexi, you will love the 20 watter. And please don’t get me wrong—I really like the SV20. It has that awesome plexi bite and controllable grind for sure. But it has little of the punch and girth of its bigger predecessors. Plus, to get it into its sweet spot, the SV20 needs to be cranked. Without an attenuator, it’s still just too loud. So add $150 to $1,500 (depending on which features you need in an attenuator) to get it under control for home use.

    What really works for me is the SC20h. I have mine driving 2 -12” Celestion V-Type speakers and it sounds great at low volumes. No attenuator needed. I’m sure that, being a lower wattage amp like the SV, it lacks much of the low end punch of the higher wattage JCM800s, but for home playing, it’s much better for my needs than the SV20.

    Not throwing shade on the SV at all, I really like mine. I just think that as a daily, no hassle, fun to play at low volume amp, the SC is amazing. Can get plexi enough with gain down and heavier with gain up, all at controlled loudness with that master vol knob
     
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