I’m sick of hearing a 4x12 is too loud to play out

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  1. tidbit

    tidbit Well-Known Member

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    It can be done but it depends on what is important...to have your amp seen in all its glory or to have your amp heard in all its glory.

    My other guitar player insists on bringing his marshall half stack out to every show so I wind up bringing my JMP out just to keep up. Venues have changed and even the “larger” ones seem to have issues with big 4x12s. Trust me, I know. We’ve gotten our share of “can you guys turn it down by half” complaints over the years.

    We still play the same venues and still play the same gear but we now get compliments on the sound. Why? Because we changed with the times.

    We didn’t change gear but we changed the stage setup.

    Ever play a gig with a 4x12 where the crowd / Soundman is complaining, you are relatively certain it’s not incredibly loud yet the drummer still can’t even hear you? It used to happen to us all of the time because of the beaming nature inherent to closed back 4x12 cabs.
    I used to do live sound in a tiny, challenging room three days a week so, one day the band finally took my advice and changed the stage presentation.
    Instead of putting the guitar amps the “traditional” way behind us facing the crowd, we started putting them on each edge of the stage at 90 degrees so they would be on the side of us, facing in towards the drummer, using them as side fills. Of course you have to mic them thru the pa this way but since doing this we’ve received many compliments, the drummer hears everything, and I can hear the other guitarist from across the stage.

    The audience only sees the side of the amps but who cares? It sounds so much “better”. You still can’t be stupid loud but you can move some air. More like solid rehearsal levels as opposed to neutered / anemic live levels.

    If you want to still play your half stack out but you keep getting grief from the venues, give this a try. It might just be a game changer. It worked for us.
     
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    Kolanti Well-Known Member

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    man how much i hate neutered anemic live levels. I went to see Alice in Chains and I could easily talk to my friend next to me on the front row. Wtf is that ? Then we went to watch Manowar and I though my head is gonna explode from the decibels. Hard Rock and Heavy Metal were meant to be loud.
    This post was made by the anti-kemper/anti-di on bass squad
     
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    junk notes Well-Known Member

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    haha! :lol:

    Like some, I use a dual variac and; or with a PB-100, with hundred or a fifty watt half stack for gigs (Plexis and JCM800s) I will use less (1x12/2x12) for other events such as an open-mic or say a friends party., when not gigging in the band.

    I spent beaucoup and have invested decades into the sound I am representing.. you will be hearing that.
     
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    Sapient   Silver Supporting Member Gold Supporting Member

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    I have a Marshall.
     
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    FracStrat Well-Known Member Platinum Supporting Member

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    I want a Marshall.
     
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    Sapient   Silver Supporting Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Frac, I thought you just say: "Give me your 6100"?

    :hbang:

    :cheers:
     
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    FracStrat Well-Known Member Platinum Supporting Member

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    Which one??
     
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    purpleplexi Well-Known Member

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    I like the OP's idea. Then instead of the drummer deafening you you can deafen the twat first. Wicked.
     
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    Old Punker Well-Known Member

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    Weren't 4x12's designed to play out?

    "a 4x12 is too loud to play out"? No, a 4x12's loudness is determined by where the volume knob on the amp is set. Can be anything from barely audible to a building leveler. :thumbs:
     
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    I agree, hard rock and heavy metal should be LOUD AS [email protected]#K!

    I bring ear plugs if I need them (close to stage). Most of us want to feel live music as well as hear it. Talking to friends is for the breaks between bands. If people want to have casual conversation about the office or fishing they should listen to jazz. I have enjoyed Marshall half stacks in local clubs for decades and hope this continues after the damned pandemic is over.

    There, I think I'm done. :headbanger:
     
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    ricksdisconnected Well-Known Member

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    i was thinking the same thing. if i were the drummer i would say , HELL NO
     
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    A good quality, well adjusted stage monitor solves a lot of problems
     
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    I have 3 and i want more!
     
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    Exactly.:eddie:
     
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    it seems I hear more about it on the MF, than I do in real life anywhere...
     
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    Yeah. It's not too hard to mic one speaker. Most places I play at do just that. Then tell me to turn down. And they haven't even heard my solo volume.:D
     
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    I was really about to post this very thing. I just don't know how true these stories of evil soundmen who don't like amps are. Drums are loud as shit. If there's a live drummer present, I guarantee your amp can be turned up at least that loud.
     
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    This. ^

    Only now some drummers turn up with electronic kits. "Oh, no prob, I can just turn this down, man, watch this...". :(
     
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    Q: do you frown on people showing up w/ a ½ stack? or a bass player showing up w/ an SVT w/ 810?
     

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