Greenback recone advice requested

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  1. Matthews Guitars

    Matthews Guitars Well-Known Member

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    I may be shopping around for someone to recone these speakers at a somewhat more affordable price...jus throwing that out there.

    I had to hear them to make a decision on what to do with them. If these four Waldom recones should turn out to sound like good Greenbacks, I'd let them be.

    But today I put them in one of my 1960A cabinets and went wild on them with the aid of my '69 Superlead and my Les Paul. Turned it up to "brain melting" volume. And...frankly their tone just fell apart when pushing any amount of air. I swear they FARTED at high volume, and the bass level wasn't high enough for that. They just lost cone control. Sounded BAD, out of an amp that doesn't have a bad sound in it.

    I bought them cheap expecting to recone them, now I'm sure of it. My reissue Greenbacks are on another plane of existence entirely, by comparison.

    So it's settled, they'll get reconed. Now for the decision: Reissue Greenback cone or Heritage cone? I'll have to defer to more experienced ears here. Whichever is most "classic Greenback tone" is the one I"ll want.
     
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    I just had two G12M Greenbacks retoned to the ASW Crossroads Everett @ Austin Speaker Works. $120 per speaker. Turns them into a 70W Greenback and I have to say they are spectacular. I have one in a Vox AC15HW (where it was removed from) and another in a cab. The Vox is more alive than ever. This, of course, is subjective, but I am very satisfied with the investment.

    I also connected the cab to a Marshall 40W and it was great.

    I played Strats, Teles, LPs, and a Carvin through these. Single coils, P-90s, and Humbuckers. I pushed them hard with and they did not break a sweat.
     
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    Matthews Guitars Well-Known Member

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    I had Scumback Speakers recone them. And as it turned out, one speaker had a slipped magnet. For a reasonable extra charge, they shipped that one off to a specialist who rebuilt that frame for me. All the speaker are back home with me now, the work is tremendous, the speakers look amazing, and I can't wait to shove them in the 1960A cabinet, hopefully tomorrow, and give them a run.
     
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    Looking for something I don't remember what.
    I had '69 & '76 G12M's re-coned 8 or 9 years ago. They too had already been re-coned (with PA speaker cones :facepalm:). I bought the 8ohm Heritage kits from Lean-business and a local expert did the work for me. Ended up costing more than buying new Heritage speakers. They do sound pretty good, though I prefer the G12h-30 55htz Heritage Greenbacks I bought brand new.
    If you get what you want, then the expense is worth it. I have a quad of '73 Pulsonic GB's, two have packed up and the other two have coil rub but still sound good in my 2061x using an SV20h on low power mode. I was going to send them to Brian @ByegoneTones to restore, but never got around to it :rolleyes:
     
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    The glue at the edge of the spider support on most old greenbacks is actually scarily fragile and doesn't take much to break them off at all. A bit of a nudge with a palette knife will take it off in a lot of cases. It's likely the outer cone edge he uses the MEK for. That's the difficult part.

    Like Jim said it can be a tedious and time consuming job to do. That's why most speaker repair places go straight for a recone, rather than mess about trying to save the original cone. Time is money. If it's your hobby then that's another matter.

    I haven't removed a speaker cone like that for a few years now, but have done a lot in the past. Maybe an 80% success rate. Some speakers do have a genuinely overheated coil or the magnet will have moved, don't expect 100% success with them. Some speakers also seemed to lose some of their magic afterwards when I A/B tested them against a non repaired speaker. A bit of loss in volume and 'guts' from the tone, hard to explain. Although at least they were usable, unlike before the repair. When you A/B test and they sound exactly the same as un unrepaired one afterwards though it is very satisfying.
     
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    I'd have to say in all honesty that the reason for having original Celestions reconed is to preserve history. I just can't really believe that a reconed Greenback from 1971 is going to sound any different from a brand new Greenback reissue which is equipped with exactly the same cone from the same suppliers.

    I expect these four Greenbacks to sound just like new reissues. And that's fine, because I LIKE those speakers, but knowing that they're at least in original late 60s and early 70s frames makes them better. I may not buy into the vintage guitar market very much, but yes, there is a nostalgia factor that can not be denied.

    I was going to install them today but family came over for a visit.
     
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    I hate when that happens!
     
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    So I finally had a chance to run the reconed Greenbacks.

    Awesome. Simply awesome. They sound RIGHT and there isn't an amp I've tried yet that doesn't sound great through that cabinet.

    I have another 4x12 full of reissue Greenbacks (Also an A type angled front) which is a Hartke cabinet, but it's made very much like Marshall makes 1960As and even uses the same Baltic Birch plywood construction. I want to do a side by side comparison and see if I can actually hear a difference between reissues and reconed originals.
     
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