Cold Bias as an aesthetic preference

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  1. Hot Bias

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  1. mrp

    mrp Active Member

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    Very interesting video, especially when it comes to the graphs.

    I however think that the cold bias sound might fit into a heavy rhythm mix better. The cold bias also sounded dynamically more even, whereas the hot bias introduced a certain "choking" effect that might fit the 80's style but not the 2000's style. Then again, Mesa has defined Nu Metal as a genre, and it's fixed cold bias.

    Also wouldn't it be nice to have two amps set one hot one cold simultaneously.

    What is your preference?
     
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  2. Matthews Guitars

    Matthews Guitars Well-Known Member

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    Definitely warm bias sounds better to me.
     
  3. neikeel

    neikeel Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean aesthetic?

    that means how it looks (at least in my dictionary).

    blue glow/red glow and flashes maybe?
     
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    Awesome scope images. Cool video. I think in the past amps were also biased this way, just hang it on the scope and wait until cross over distortion is gone.
     
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    Voted Warm.

    And I love Wild Flower!

     
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  6. mrp

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    Sound aesthetic then. :shock:
     
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    SmokeyDopey Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    If I were recording a metal guitar and had to choose between those 2 options I'd go with the cold bias. Thinking in context it would seem more "appropriate"
     
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  8. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    That threw me off too! “As an aesthetic difference”?

    Tolex, paint or different knobs?
     
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    aesthetic
    ĕs-thĕt′ĭk
    adjective
    1. Relating to the philosophy or theories of aesthetics.
    2. Of or concerning the appreciation of beauty or good taste.
    3. Attractive or appealing.
    4. Characterized by a heightened sensitivity to beauty.
    5. Being or relating to a work of art; artistic.
    6. Conforming to accepted notions of good taste.
    7. Of or characteristic of aestheticism in the arts.
    noun
    1. A guiding principle in matters of artistic beauty and taste; artistic sensibility.
     
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  10. mrp

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    But then they are natives while we are ESL students. :)
     
  11. mrp

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    What if a third amp that's not only cold but also skewed-biased gave out a sound that's instant Brad Delson.
     
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    anitoli Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    IDK what this guy's referring to with the 2203x's FX loop being a tone suck. It's the same circuit that is in the 87x and it sounds fine to my ears. Biggest issue i have with these loops isn't the loop itself but balancing all the different pedals i have hooked up.
     
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  13. Leonard Neemoil

    Leonard Neemoil Well-Known Member

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    I voted cold.

    Sounds like my dsl 100h (and AC/DC). I've been meaning to check the bias since I got it a few months ago. This has given me more motivation.
     
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    Me too, I vote cold.
    Don't know how Jason hear the cold recording as thin.
    His amps sound good, but almost the same. I think his IR is the reason for this.
     
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    marshallmellowed Well-Known Member

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    I'm assuming the OP meant "tonal preference" (rather than "aesthetic preference"). If a guy likes the sound of a cold-biased amp, then bias it cold (low). If a guy likes the sound of a hot-biased amp, then bias it hot (high), realizing it will result in a reduced tube life. I stick with what's recommended, and it's what sounds best to my ears.
     
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    scozz Well-Known Member Gold Supporting Member

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    What’s the issue with your pedals and the loop, balancing the pedals? Does that mean too many pedals?
     
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    Too cold means crossover distortion

    Too hot means frazzled tubes.

    I vote for Goldilocks setting - just right:dude:
     
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    It's just getting the loop level vs the pedal levels to interact properly and yes there is a bunch of them. Some are more finicky than others. I have been moving toward more of the multi effect pedals to reduce the number in the chain and that seems to help. Also when you mix 70's-80's analog with modern digital the levels can be all over the place.
     
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  19. machinated

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    Cold can be good, and theres a narrative that HOT=BEST which I think is bullshit. 5150's always sound better to me biased really cold, whenever someone bias mods them and biases them to correct values for the valves the tone changes in a way I dont like. I think most of the time its important to bias where the valves are going to operate correctly and last a reasonable length of time, but its important to listen to the result and make sure its the best sounding one for your particular circumstances. Biasing too hot basically always sounds terrible to me, the sound thins out, becomes way too compressed and just sounds wrong. Too cold can sound equally bad, but I tend to prefer just above where the nasty stuff is on the cold side. Just my tastes though so its important to find what works for you.
     
  20. Derrick111

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    When I was just starting out in bands in my teens and too young to know how to bias my own amp, I took my first Marshall (a 1980 JMP 100w 1959) to have new tubes installed. I put in NOS RFT EL-34s and the tech threw the amp up on a scope and biased it right in front of me. Took all of 60 seconds. After 10+ years of steady gigging and touring, the same tubes are still in it and operating perfectly. It is also the loudest of any 100W amp I have used or owned with the possible exception of a certain 1970 Orange OR120. It must have been biased just right. Never thought to, but I should check the current draw to see where they set it...

    Setting the bias too low can sound like ass. Too high, and you can have arching and other failures... or at least blow through tubes quicker. Your poll should have included "just right" instead of just cold and hot. I don't advise hot.
     
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