a floyd rose : not perfect

[EndGame00]

The Zero-Point system on Ibanez bridge is actually a great tool since it has a bar and counter spring. but they feel stiff. I removed on mine since I prefer free-floating bridge.

 

[dslman]

You guys will love the sustain and tone of your new big brass blocks.
I put a 32mm on a Original Edge to make sure I still had plenty of room for pullups and dives, it makes a difference well worth the price.

 

[ColorfulMusic]

3 looooong pages of nonsense. If you know how to set them up and understand there niche's and give them some TLC Floyd Rose' are fine. I don't have problems with guitars staying in tune. Even my Licensed Jackson-FR on $300 Jackson stays in tune fine.
Nothing on a guitar is perfect. It is a very imperfect instrument.

Step back and look...you have two pieces of thin wood bolted together in middle, than six steel cables pulling at both ends, and your trying to keep them at the same frequency while you beat on them...REALLY???

 

[Tone Slinger]

3 looooong pages of nonsense. If you know how to set them up and understand there niche's and give them some TLC Floyd Rose' are fine. I don't have problems with guitars staying in tune. Even my Licensed Jackson-FR on $300 Jackson stays in tune fine.
Nothing on a guitar is perfect. It is a very imperfect instrument.

Step back and look...you have two pieces of thin wood bolted together in middle, than six steel cables pulling at both ends, and your trying to keep them at the same frequency while you beat on them...REALLY???

Good points, it is true. To me, I actually prefer the vintage style Fender 6 screw tremolo's (Fender reissue, Callaham, Gotoh ). They adjust to the guitar's overall condition/s. Its a balancing act, concerning the tensions (the guitar as a whole). Remember when EVH was asked about his thoughts on a FLOYD ROSE ('80 GP cover). He said that when he jumps off of the drum riser that the neck shifts a hair sometimes and it (Floyd) causes the guitar to go out of tune. A FLOYD's design is based on the guitar ALWAYS being 100% stable. With a vintage 6 screw bridge (especially with a couple key modifications), the tuning changes MUCH more in a gradual way that is managable, wheras a Floyd goes out of tune in a more obvious, non musical kind of way.

Still, a Floyd has its own tone and playability (like Flyingguitars has said, VERY smooth surface to rest the right hand palm on/muting, etc). Regardless of the actual 'tremolo range/action' of these different units being duscussed, the overall tone and feel they impart to the other aspects of playing (non tremolo technique) are just as important.

 

[sinner 13]

Dreynn is that you?

Man, that's what I was thinkin!

Me Three....

As for the best way to stabilize a floating bridge...

Block it up and run hardtail...

 

[Mosher Zone]

I love My Floyd Rose trem..no problems at all..ever...but ive been using one since the 80's...and am totally used to setting it up..

hey Mosher..I bought the ESP tremblo stabilizer instead..but waiting on my 42mm L shaped brass big block so I can install everything...here's what ther ESP version looks like..and here's the Block im getting..I also have the KGC brass Claw that im waiting to install..everything will be Brass and Black when im done..

I know these have been talked about on the other thread but do you keep it in tune if a string goes, you gonna believe that on the first note of the Seasons solo last night my high E went.

 

[GuitarMutant]

Good points, it is true. To me, I actually prefer the vintage style Fender 6 screw tremolo's (Fender reissue, Callaham, Gotoh ). They adjust to the guitar's overall condition/s. Its a balancing act, concerning the tensions (the guitar as a whole). Remember when EVH was asked about his thoughts on a FLOYD ROSE ('80 GP cover). He said that when he jumps off of the drum riser that the neck shifts a hair sometimes and it (Floyd) causes the guitar to go out of tune. A FLOYD's design is based on the guitar ALWAYS being 100% stable. With a vintage 6 screw bridge (especially with a couple key modifications), the tuning changes MUCH more in a gradual way that is managable, wheras a Floyd goes out of tune in a more obvious, non musical kind of way.

Still, a Floyd has its own tone and playability (like Flyingguitars has said, VERY smooth surface to rest the right hand palm on/muting, etc). Regardless of the actual 'tremolo range/action' of these different units being duscussed, the overall tone and feel they impart to the other aspects of playing (non tremolo technique) are just as important.

If you're buying a trem based on if your neck is going to shift, get your guitar fixed. Without a tight neck pocket and a properly installed neck, tuning woes will happen with a hardtail as well as any trem. Doesn't matter which one gets knocked out in a more dramatic fashion - ANY out-of-tune playing is bad noise.

(Not being confrontational BTW - just my outlook on guitars. If the instrument isn't right, there's no way out.)

 

[Biddlin]

If you're buying a trem based on if your neck is going to shift, get your guitar fixed. Without a tight neck pocket and a properly installed neck, tuning woes will happen with a hardtail as well as any trem. Doesn't matter which one gets knocked out in a more dramatic fashion - ANY out-of-tune playing is bad noise.

(Not being confrontational BTW - just my outlook on guitars. If the instrument isn't right, there's no way out.)

You understand gibberish and balderdash and speak reality! You're the perfect member.
;>)

 

[EndGame00]

Good points, it is true. To me, I actually prefer the vintage style Fender 6 screw tremolo's (Fender reissue, Callaham, Gotoh ). They adjust to the guitar's overall condition/s. Its a balancing act, concerning the tensions (the guitar as a whole). Remember when EVH was asked about his thoughts on a FLOYD ROSE ('80 GP cover). He said that when he jumps off of the drum riser that the neck shifts a hair sometimes and it (Floyd) causes the guitar to go out of tune. A FLOYD's design is based on the guitar ALWAYS being 100% stable. With a vintage 6 screw bridge (especially with a couple key modifications), the tuning changes MUCH more in a gradual way that is managable, wheras a Floyd goes out of tune in a more obvious, non musical kind of way.

Still, a Floyd has its own tone and playability (like Flyingguitars has said, VERY smooth surface to rest the right hand palm on/muting, etc). Regardless of the actual 'tremolo range/action' of these different units being duscussed, the overall tone and feel they impart to the other aspects of playing (non tremolo technique) are just as important.

It's not the Floyd that was the problem, it was the neck pocket on his guitar that was not secured properly.... His guitar was a parts-caster, and who knows how tight and secure the bolts on the neck pocket... There could be a hairline crack that has gotten worse over time....

 

[GuitarMutant]

You understand gibberish and balderdash and speak reality! You're the perfect member.
;>)

Actually, I'm just an opinionated ass with the years of BS behind me.
Hopefully, I don't make too many enemies - this is all in fun for me.
Good to meet ya!

 

[stillrockin]

3 looooong pages of nonsense. If you know how to set them up and understand there niche's and give them some TLC Floyd Rose' are fine. I don't have problems with guitars staying in tune. Even my Licensed Jackson-FR on $300 Jackson stays in tune fine.
Nothing on a guitar is perfect. It is a very imperfect instrument.

Step back and look...you have two pieces of thin wood bolted together in middle, than six steel cables pulling at both ends, and your trying to keep them at the same frequency while you beat on them...REALLY???

i have never talked about that
i talked about other thing and not about "in tune"

 

[Bear R.]

I know these have been talked about on the other thread but do you keep it in tune if a string goes, you gonna believe that on the first note of the Seasons solo last night my high E went.

Hey Mosher..sorry for the way late response..ive been trying to avoid this because since getting my parts that I told you about earlier, the dang thing dosent hold tune for long..I think it's the 42mm L block doing it..maybe I need heavy duty springs..that will be 1st..if it dosent work it's coming out..the L block that is..

As far as the ESP tremb.stabalizer goes...it's not worth it man..im sure it will hold tune if a string breaks but man, you gotta have thing so tight..i haven't tried a test like clipping a string and see what happens..or just bringing it out of tune..it's hard to explain..it might be a good for restringing your guitar..ha,ha....but I tried using it up against the block and even though it keeps the tremblo stabilized when your palming the Floyd, you cannot use the tremb. like you'd like to..if you like to flutter the tremb. or anything like that, it's not happening..it does make it kinda like a hardtail..but that's not what Floyds are for..i left the stabalizer in there, but away from the block...It's kinda useless..in my opinion..but I haven't spent much time testing it yet..i will further the tests later..Maybe...im still trying to get my Floyd to stay in tune for a few songs..I might have to go back to a regular 37mm brass block..but 1st i'll get heavy duty springs and see if this helps..so ya, Mosh..there more of a pain in the ass then there worth..just my 2 cents though..someone else might say different..again, sorry for the late response man..take care buddy...Barry.

Sorry to hear about the high E breaking on the 1st note of that solo..Man, thats a bummer..I hope I made sense explaining..ha,ha..personally I wouldn't spend the time or money..it changes the whole set up of a Floyd..

 

[sinner 13]

Oh and I am not sure if it was previously mentioned, because I am not gonna wade through 3 pages of silliness.
If you are worries about breakage, there is the Floyd "speed loader" system.....

 

[Mosher Zone]

Hey Mosher..sorry for the way late response..ive been trying to avoid this because since getting my parts that I told you about earlier, the dang thing dosent hold tune for long..I think it's the 42mm L block doing it..maybe I need heavy duty springs..that will be 1st..if it dosent work it's coming out..the L block that is..

As far as the ESP tremb.stabalizer goes...it's not worth it man..im sure it will hold tune if a string breaks but man, you gotta have thing so tight..i haven't tried a test like clipping a string and see what happens..or just bringing it out of tune..it's hard to explain..it might be a good for restringing your guitar..ha,ha....but I tried using it up against the block and even though it keeps the tremblo stabilized when your palming the Floyd, you cannot use the tremb. like you'd like to..if you like to flutter the tremb. or anything like that, it's not happening..it does make it kinda like a hardtail..but that's not what Floyds are for..i left the stabalizer in there, but away from the block...It's kinda useless..in my opinion..but I haven't spent much time testing it yet..i will further the tests later..Maybe...im still trying to get my Floyd to stay in tune for a few songs..I might have to go back to a regular 37mm brass block..but 1st i'll get heavy duty springs and see if this helps..so ya, Mosh..there more of a pain in the ass then there worth..just my 2 cents though..someone else might say different..again, sorry for the late response man..take care buddy...Barry.

Sorry to hear about the high E breaking on the 1st note of that solo..Man, thats a bummer..I hope I made sense explaining..ha,ha..personally I wouldn't spend the time or money..it changes the whole set up of a Floyd..

Cheers bud, I think ill pass on that then, I don't want something that totally changes the feel, I've dealt with Floyds for 25 years so I'm used to them, live string breaks are few and far between so I'll live with it.

The string break on the lead wasn't a disaster, its Slayer so I made it through, you can here it go on the vid if you listen.

 

[Bear R.]

Ya, Keep it simple..Floyds Rule...



where's this vid..?.

 

[Mosher Zone]

where's this vid..?.

Here ya go.

http://www.marshallforum.com/showthread.php?t=84146

 

[4Horseman]

Cheers bud, I think ill pass on that then, I don't want something that totally changes the feel, I've dealt with Floyds for 25 years so I'm used to them, live string breaks are few and far between so I'll live with it.

The string break on the lead wasn't a disaster, its Slayer so I made it through, you can here it go on the vid if you listen.

I haven't had much trouble with my 20yr old FR Jackson either. I rub a lead pencil on the nut and saddles at string changes, haven't broken a string on that guitar in over 10 years. I added a forth spring on it and the tuning is quite stable.

 

[Bear R.]

Cool Mosh..man, i heard it go..ha,ha...still, Great Solo work right there...Good job..!!.

 

[Bear R.]

I haven't had much trouble with my 20yr old FR Jackson either. I rub a lead pencil on the nut and saddles at string changes, haven't broken a string on that guitar in over 10 years. I added a forth spring on it and the tuning is quite stable.

hey Horseman...i haven't ever had any trouble with my Floyd till I switched to that L shaped big block about a month ago..it's being a pain in the a**..I mean, it stays in tune for awhile..but I never had it go out that often..maybe after a month hammering on it..ha,ha..might have to go back to a 37mm..

 

[mtsalmela80]

You mean that they are harder to "dive bomb". There isn't an adjustment for that? I find that hard to believe, but maybe I'm not sure what you are talking about. On my hard tail floyd I set it up so that its firm, 100%, on the body, (if I loosened the cavity springs anymore it would start to come up) at the same time the spring is set so that the slightest adjustment will begin to move the bar. This sort of emulates a floating setup as best as one could hope.

-huh? harder to set up than FLOYDS!!!! are you kidding me!!! FLOYDS have much more "moving parts" than a KAHLER,..KAHLERS are self contained,..no springs in the back cavity,... and ya can use what ever tuning ya want with out buying new springs,..

-never had,..or even thought about them being hard to restring,.. my only gripe against them was,..-(and it's a very small thing)- there a lot stiffer than a FLOYD,..