1987x Vs 1959 For A Martin Golub Crunch/se Mod

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    Curious as to how the wattage would differ between the 2 amps. The L.A. rep said the 100 watt would be more dynamic.

    Interested to getting one of the two mods listed on a Ceriatone amp, and there is a $200 dollar difference between the 1987 and the 1959.

    All input is appreciated!
     
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    If you want crunch at a low volume go for the 2204.

    Both amps (1959 1987) you mentioned need to be played 7-10 to get a proper crunch.
    Otherwise, low volume both of these 1987 1959 are very clean amps.
    Therefore any crunch is very very loud, and you will want a speaker attenuator, or perhaps fluxtone speakers, etc...

    To get a good crunch the amp is driven to produce output tube distortion - however the
    volume becomes the problem.

    Master volume or distortion pedal does not duplicate this output tube distortion, which you might say is unique.
    Still the purists would prefer ja output tube distortion.

    1959 and 1987 is output tube distortion, preamp is clean.
    2204 is preamp tube distortion, preamp makes distortion...
    That is the difference. But you can still crank the 2204 wide open also, and use a speaker attenuator to control the loudness.

    I would use 2204 wide open and crank the power amp to get output tube distortion.
    Then use a speaker attenuator (or etc.) to control final loudness.
    I would probably use 2X 1-12" cabinets also.
     
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    The crunch and SE Lead mod give the amp a cascaded gain stage. I'm curious as to the difference between the 50 and 100 watt models and their dynamics.

    This mod also adds a MV, so volume will not be that much of an issue.
     
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    I'd say it comes down to why you really want the crunch mod. If you absolutely have to nail that GD tone in every way you can then the 1959 is way to go as that's the model BJ uses unless I'm mistaken.....
    That said my tone has always revolved around a roided out Marshall in one form or another and I'm a die hard 50 watt guy all across the board. I really only find 100 watters advantagious for super heavy drop tuned stuff.
     
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    I really like the tones I've heard from it. I obviously love Green Day, but I also love Rancids "Out Come The Wolves" too. I've also seen the crunch mod do the 80's vh metal that I love too. I never play below drop d, as a fall out boy cover my band does uses drop d so I'm not worried about super tight bass and whatnot. I don't play chugs too, and I have a 6l6 amp currently that cand to metal. I just want a good crunchy rock tone, and I don't know how differently the 50 vs 100 watt sound..
     
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    Why would you say two 1x12's vs a 2x12?
     
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    Welcome to the 50 vs 100 watt debate, it's been going on for a while lol.
     
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    There's a $200 dollar difference between the Ceriatone amps. I don't really wanna spend the $200 more when I could put that toward a speaker motor(Weber mass 200)
     
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    What the hell is a martin golub crunch? Some kinda shitty candy bar?
     
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    A mod to plexi' that have the front end cascaded.
     
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    ...well re voiced and cascaded would be more appropriate. There's not a whole lot to it but it's more than a one wire mod going on. In truth this mod could also be implemented on an 800 which would already be cascaded.
     
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    I'm a player Lol. I can tech a guitar, but I don't know amp mods for S**t!
     
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    john l Well-Known Member

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    For sure man, its just a pet peeve of mine. I like to keep things accurate so there's just that much less BS for the next guy that hits the search button to sift through.
     
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    Bump.


    Here's a question. Anyone have a fortin 50/100 watt amp? Has anyone noticed a difference between the two?
     
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    Its gonna be a feel difference more so than volume. The 100w will have more weight and grunt than the 50w..
     
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    Will that be noticed heavily with an attenuator?
     
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    Nope , Martin does a nice master volume you shouldn't need an attenuator..
     
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    He said it was a pre phase inverter MV. Doesn't that not get the output tube distortion?

    Sorry for all the questions. I'm really curious about learning about how amps work!
     
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    No pre phase mv is all preamp distortion, post phase just adds the phase invertor distortion. Only way to get power tube is to run either one wide open
     
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    So it's still need an attenuator if I run it around 4. Especally for the tones I want
     

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