1980 JMP 2203 vs Mesa Dual Rec Multi Watt

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  1. Bxlxaxkxe

    Bxlxaxkxe Active Member

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    I prefer the Mesa. Didn't see that one coming.
     
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    Surprisingly similar. At least through my I phone.
     
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    I'm assuming the 2203 is modded?
     
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    Another UN-fair comparison. We are listening to effects pedals, not amplifiers.
    Put the same set of tubes in BOTH amps, bias them properly. UN-plug all the horse-manure effects pedals. Then you are listening to a FAIR test.
     
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    What? It's a boost pedal to tighten up the low end b/c both amps absolutely need it. You're acting like he's running through @zachman's rig or something.
     
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    I liked the Mesa! But I think it was the style of music that was chosen. Maybe a Mesa just sounds better doing that style.
     
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    Still i would go with the Marshall. Better harmonics, clarity, doesn't sound so artificial.
     
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    Don't forget the 11 effects pedals, to improve the every guitar amp demo.
    God help us if we actually hear the amplifier, in the every guitar amp demo.

    It seems to be that the real amplifier is the last thing they want you to hear.. :lol:.. I guess that's the real embarrassment?
     
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    I don't understand what is going on with this video.
    Why would you ever sample the tone with ANY pedal?
    Also there is something wrong with that Marshall.
    it sounds like Mesa.
    Bad and muddy.
    All I hear from any Mesa is mud.
    .2
     
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    I'd like to hear the same comparison in a lower gain context (masters up, preamps down), no pedals, and preferably not through impulse responses (flattened dynamics).
     
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    No contest the Marshall CRUSHED the Mesa imo. At 100+ decibels the Marshall would dominate.
     
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    Why do you keep saying this? Are you watching a different video than what I'm watching? There's a single boost pedal, which is how most people run these amps for the style of music demo'd.
     
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    My question is why the need to boost an already high gain head?
     
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    because it's too wimpy
     
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    Both amps are known for a certain looseness. So ditch the pedals and let’s hear the amps with varying amounts of gain. Plus not enough info on any mods, tubes, is the rectifier set for tube or ss rectification . Tweed setting etc. ?
     
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    I don't what the point of this video is, to show that a Marshall can do what a Mesa can, or the other way around, or to compare them in the same ballparks tone/setting wise.

    But I think the Marshall sounds better in most of them. Much richer and more complex tone.
     
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    Maybe you're playing coy, you've certainly been around here long enough to know the purpose of a boost. Anyhow, you boost a Recto to focus and tighten the low-end; that's standard MO for these amps. You boost the 2203 (or mod it) because there isn't that much gain on tap stock, especially compared to a Recto.
     
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    Don’t read too much into this guys. It’s me playing two great amps side by side. The DR is silicon diode, bold on the back. There’s no such thing as tweed on a DR. All Chinese tubes- 6L6 in the power amp- whatever comes Stock from Mesa. The Marshall has RFT/Siemens EL34s and RFTs in the preamp.

    The Marshall is stock.

    The 808 was used in 2 of the 6 riffs. It’s a classic pedal used for both amps, not so much to add gain but to tighten up the bottom end. Some of you guys are acting like you’ve never heard of this being done before. I assure you it’s nothing new with either amp lol.

    No other pedals were used. Light reverb and delay were post. If you don’t like that then I’m sorry, REALLY sorry. I feel realllly bad about it.
     
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    Had you set the Mesa off camera and subbed in a dummy amp of, quite frankly any other brand, you'd have gotten much less hostility and interest in this thread.

    That said, I'm not convinced that's a stock JMP :hippie:
     
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