Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last!

een7gdr · 10-20-2009, 03:19 PM

As some of you are aware, I have been working on a mod to allow the clean/crunch modes of Channel A on the DSL 50/100 amps to be footswitched like the main channels. Well, my final boards have just arrived - just as Im going on holiday (Bad timing!).

You can see some pictures below of the prototypes to give you an idea of how it goes together. The most basic installation replaces the main switch with a number of relays. This still gives a front switch but can connect to the small Jack PCB that should be mounted at the rear of the amp (normally in place of the reverb jack) to allow a footswitch to be used. If you are prepared for the work, 3 wires from the PCB can connect to the main volume pot for that channel (requiring removal and re-insertion with 1 pin bent back) allowing the crunch volume to be dropped to match the clean channel using an on board potentiometer.

Heres the pics of the prototypes, note the final versions have only 3 wires to connect for the volume adjustment and can be cut off if not required.

The prototype has been in my amp now (a 1998 model) for a couple of months and Im actually using the crunch channel now it great!. Before i just used the clean channel and a TS-9 for a bit of crunch but theres loads more sounds available now. I currently have a prototype winging its way over to be tried in a newer amp (2006 i think).

The install is completely reversable assuming you dont throw away the old switch/reverb jack!

jcmjmp · 10-20-2009, 03:39 PM

Excellent news! Finally, someone put the time in to do this.

shawkey · 10-20-2009, 03:42 PM

this is the best news i've hears all day! keep us posted een. btw enjoy your holiday

00jett · 10-20-2009, 04:17 PM

hmmmm... Interesting

Buggs.Crosby · 10-21-2009, 01:27 PM

I have been dying to find this mod as well as the same mod for the ultra channel
when your back and these are ready shoot me a pm and consider one sold!
Enjoy your holiday.....Wish i could take one

javier pintos · 10-21-2009, 02:46 PM

hey i`m interested to , got some sound clips?, what is your ball park price for this?

Ken · 10-21-2009, 03:39 PM

Nice!!! Pity Marshall didn't work this out themselves....

Ken

thrawn86 · 10-21-2009, 03:42 PM

Would someone clarify what this does? I'm not familiar.

Buggs.Crosby · 10-21-2009, 08:27 PM

It switches between the two modes on the classic gain channel
with the added benefit of keeping the levels the same when switched

Buggs.Crosby · 10-21-2009, 08:31 PM

If i did not phrase this correctly someone please correct me

thrawn86 · 10-21-2009, 09:03 PM

No I think you did; I didn't understand at first.....this is to deal with the EQ differences on the two channels.

jcmjmp · 10-21-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thrawn86

No I think you did; I didn't understand at first.....this is to deal with the EQ differences on the two channels.

No.

This device allows you to:

Use a footswitch to change from clean to crunch mode on the green channel. It also has an adjustment for making the volume levels the same between the clean and crunch with a single transistor.

This basically turns the DSL into a 3 channel amp.

thrawn86 · 10-21-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

No.

This device allows you to:

Use a footswitch to change from clean to crunch mode on the green channel. It also has an adjustment for making the volume levels the same between the clean and crunch with a single transistor.

This basically turns the DSL into a 3 channel amp.

Seee? This is what stupidity gets me!! Thank you for the clarification. I didn't know about this at all. Very cool.

een7gdr · 10-23-2009, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcmjmp

No.

This device allows you to:

Use a footswitch to change from clean to crunch mode on the green channel. It also has an adjustment for making the volume levels the same between the clean and crunch with a single transistor.

This basically turns the DSL into a 3 channel amp.

Exactly thanks jcmjmp. Just found an internet cafe

In principle this mode will also work if fitted to the lead1\2 switch position, however if you need both lead1\2 and clean\crunch youll need to mount 2 extra jacks on the rear, assuming one uses the reverb position the other can be mounted in some dead space between the main footswitch jack and the transformer, this would require a hole drilling and some bravery.

The price excluding shipping for this mod will be £40 UK which due to our very poor exchange rate at the minute makes this about €44 or about $66. Shipping will be £2 for UK, £2.50 for Europe or £3 for the Americas. If youre interested then please PM me and we can sort out payment (through paypal if possible) once i get back. Due to the build time for these I cant do more than 5 per week.

Ill let you know when i return.

solarburnDSL50 · 10-23-2009, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by een7gdr

Exactly thanks jcmjmp. Just found an internet cafe

In principle this mode will also work if fitted to the lead1\2 switch position, however if you need both lead1\2 and clean\crunch youll need to mount 2 extra jacks on the rear, assuming one uses the reverb position the other can be mounted in some dead space between the main footswitch jack and the transformer, this would require a hole drilling and some bravery.

The price excluding shipping for this mod will be £40 UK which due to our very poor exchange rate at the minute makes this about €44 or about $66. Shipping will be £2 for UK, £2.50 for Europe or £3 for the Americas. If youre interested then please PM me and we can sort out payment (through paypal if possible) once i get back. Due to the build time for these I cant do more than 5 per week.

Ill let you know when i return.

Great work een. I will keep you and this in mind for later. I can't pay the bill yet but as soon as I get some free money I will PM you.

Again, nice work!

00jett · 10-23-2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

In principle this mode will also work if fitted to the lead1\2 switch position, however if you need both lead1\2 and clean\crunch youll need to mount 2 extra jacks on the rear, assuming one uses the reverb position the other can be mounted in some dead space between the main footswitch jack and the transformer, this would require a hole drilling and some bravery.

OK!!! now youu have me hooked. drilling some holes doesn't bother me at all. The only thing im wondering is if there is any way to mount the volume for the channels on the amp face plate, say in place of the reverb nobs or something (if its too hard dont worry about it)? I use the reverb in my rack unit which is why i wonder about this. oh man now im buzzing with ideas.

MaidenStrat02 · 10-24-2009, 11:34 PM

Alright boys and girls...what you've all been waiting for. Graham sent me a prototype to install and test. If you have experience working with amps and know how to discharge your filter caps you are good to go. It took around 4 hours for me. No point in getting alarmed, I'm very careful about things. The mod calls for you to remove the 2 PCB's so you can do the work. I spent a considerable amount of time drawing up wiring diagrams for all of the boards (4), switches, and trannys. This way I'll always have a reference to fall back on in the future. I decided to to do option #2. Everything went smoothly, one caution though. Be careful when you bend back tab 3 on the channel A volume pot. You must solder it on just right so you are able to install it back in place so that the legs fit back into the holes.
Other than that it works BEAUTIFULLY!!!!

No noise and no latency between switching the 2 channels from what I could hear. I didn't get to really dive into real loud volumes, I was messing around at about 2 1/2.
Anyway, you guys need to get this mod installed. Graham really knows his stuff and I swear by it. I also have his F\X Loop mod that removes all of the crosstalk in the loop. Here's some pics of my DSL50:

The switch mod board:

The reverb board:

een7gdr · 10-27-2009, 06:09 AM

Thanks MaidenStrat as all seems to be working then i can assume that the mod has been tested successfully on both 1998 and 2006 DSL models. I would presume that it is should be compatable with all models in between and more than likely the current range of amplifiers.

As for using the front face knobs for the crunch volume, this can be done but you/I would have to find a new 1Mohm volume pot to fit into one of the reverb positions. Ther reverb pots are 20K on my amp and would load the pre-amp section too much. However, once a replacement is found it is almost as easy to perform the mod using the new controls as it is the standard option (as described by MaidenStrat). You may need to perform a small mod to link the output from the remaining reverb pot so that the one pot controls both channels but that should just be a case of one wire link.

I have some orders already, and hope to ship the first lot by the 9th November. Again, please PM me if you are interested in the mod.

een7gdr · 11-03-2009, 05:35 AM

Finally back off holiday and got myself sorted out!

The first batch of units should be posted on the 9th November. With regards to adding seperate volume controls for the crunch channel (and the lead 2 channel if you dont want any reverb!) I have sourced some identical 1M volume pots for this option. To add a single volume knob for the crunch channel you would have to remove the reverb B knob and pot (its a 20K i think) and mount the new pot in its place using only the mounting legs. The pot legs need to be bent back at 90degrees so that the wires to the footswitch mod can be soldered on to the top side of the PCB. The output of the reverb A pot will need to be linked to where the output of the B pot was connected so that the single knob controls both channels. Again, if these instructions are followed, there is no reason why this cannot be reversed 100% to return the amp to stock should you need to. Full instructions will be supplied with the kits once i get it all written up.

I can add the spare volume pot if required to the kit for an additional £1.50Otherwise they are available from Marshall for a bit less but theres a £3.50 postage charge on their orders. Please let me know if you want these pots and i will amend the price accordingly.

Thanks for the orders so far, Ill confirm to everyone individaully once they are dispatched.

10-20-2009, 03:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
een7gdr Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 40	Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! As some of you are aware, I have been working on a mod to allow the clean/crunch modes of Channel A on the DSL 50/100 amps to be footswitched like the main channels. Well, my final boards have just arrived - just as Im going on holiday (Bad timing!). You can see some pictures below of the prototypes to give you an idea of how it goes together. The most basic installation replaces the main switch with a number of relays. This still gives a front switch but can connect to the small Jack PCB that should be mounted at the rear of the amp (normally in place of the reverb jack) to allow a footswitch to be used. If you are prepared for the work, 3 wires from the PCB can connect to the main volume pot for that channel (requiring removal and re-insertion with 1 pin bent back) allowing the crunch volume to be dropped to match the clean channel using an on board potentiometer. Heres the pics of the prototypes, note the final versions have only 3 wires to connect for the volume adjustment and can be cut off if not required. The prototype has been in my amp now (a 1998 model) for a couple of months and Im actually using the crunch channel now it great!. Before i just used the clean channel and a TS-9 for a bit of crunch but theres loads more sounds available now. I currently have a prototype winging its way over to be tried in a newer amp (2006 i think). The install is completely reversable assuming you dont throw away the old switch/reverb jack!

10-20-2009, 03:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,341	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! Excellent news! Finally, someone put the time in to do this.

10-20-2009, 03:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
shawkey Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: philly pa Posts: 36	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! this is the best news i've hears all day! keep us posted een. btw enjoy your holiday

10-20-2009, 04:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
00jett Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 133	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! hmmmm... Interesting

10-21-2009, 01:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Buggs.Crosby Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 90	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! I have been dying to find this mod as well as the same mod for the ultra channel when your back and these are ready shoot me a pm and consider one sold! Enjoy your holiday.....Wish i could take one

10-21-2009, 02:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
javier pintos Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 323	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! hey i`m interested to , got some sound clips?, what is your ball park price for this?

10-21-2009, 03:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ken Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arlington Heights, IL Posts: 607	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! Nice!!! Pity Marshall didn't work this out themselves.... Ken

10-21-2009, 03:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
thrawn86 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Far Nor Cal USA Posts: 426	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! Would someone clarify what this does? I'm not familiar. __________________ Drivin' faster in my car... 02 DSL 401-Ei's 02 1960b 02 Gibson LP Studio Silver 03 PRS Santana SE Holy Grail reverb Originally Posted by J. Robert Oppenheimer "We knew the world would not be the same."

10-21-2009, 08:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Buggs.Crosby Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 90	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! It switches between the two modes on the classic gain channel with the added benefit of keeping the levels the same when switched

10-21-2009, 08:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
Buggs.Crosby Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 90	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! If i did not phrase this correctly someone please correct me

10-21-2009, 09:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
thrawn86 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Far Nor Cal USA Posts: 426	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! No I think you did; I didn't understand at first.....this is to deal with the EQ differences on the two channels. __________________ Drivin' faster in my car... 02 DSL 401-Ei's 02 1960b 02 Gibson LP Studio Silver 03 PRS Santana SE Holy Grail reverb Originally Posted by J. Robert Oppenheimer "We knew the world would not be the same."

10-24-2009, 11:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
MaidenStrat02 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Rue Morgue Posts: 147	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! Alright boys and girls...what you've all been waiting for. Graham sent me a prototype to install and test. If you have experience working with amps and know how to discharge your filter caps you are good to go. It took around 4 hours for me. No point in getting alarmed, I'm very careful about things. The mod calls for you to remove the 2 PCB's so you can do the work. I spent a considerable amount of time drawing up wiring diagrams for all of the boards (4), switches, and trannys. This way I'll always have a reference to fall back on in the future. I decided to to do option #2. Everything went smoothly, one caution though. Be careful when you bend back tab 3 on the channel A volume pot. You must solder it on just right so you are able to install it back in place so that the legs fit back into the holes. Other than that it works BEAUTIFULLY!!!! No noise and no latency between switching the 2 channels from what I could hear. I didn't get to really dive into real loud volumes, I was messing around at about 2 1/2. Anyway, you guys need to get this mod installed. Graham really knows his stuff and I swear by it. I also have his F\X Loop mod that removes all of the crosstalk in the loop. Here's some pics of my DSL50: The switch mod board: The reverb board: __________________ Gibson '07 SG 2 Customized Fender Strats Modded DSL50 MM choke,PT&OT Carvin 2x12 V30's Pitchblack-LPB-1-Budda Wah-TS808. Loop= 108EQ-Modded Phase 90-Carbon Copy-George L cables-Voodoo Pedal Power 2 Plus-Pedaltrain board Contact for Facebook request

10-27-2009, 06:09 AM	#18 (permalink)
een7gdr Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 40	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! Thanks MaidenStrat as all seems to be working then i can assume that the mod has been tested successfully on both 1998 and 2006 DSL models. I would presume that it is should be compatable with all models in between and more than likely the current range of amplifiers. As for using the front face knobs for the crunch volume, this can be done but you/I would have to find a new 1Mohm volume pot to fit into one of the reverb positions. Ther reverb pots are 20K on my amp and would load the pre-amp section too much. However, once a replacement is found it is almost as easy to perform the mod using the new controls as it is the standard option (as described by MaidenStrat). You may need to perform a small mod to link the output from the remaining reverb pot so that the one pot controls both channels but that should just be a case of one wire link. I have some orders already, and hope to ship the first lot by the 9th November. Again, please PM me if you are interested in the mod.

11-03-2009, 05:35 AM	#19 (permalink)
een7gdr Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 40	Re: Marshall DSL 50/100 Clean/Crunch Footswitch - at last! Finally back off holiday and got myself sorted out! The first batch of units should be posted on the 9th November. With regards to adding seperate volume controls for the crunch channel (and the lead 2 channel if you dont want any reverb!) I have sourced some identical 1M volume pots for this option. To add a single volume knob for the crunch channel you would have to remove the reverb B knob and pot (its a 20K i think) and mount the new pot in its place using only the mounting legs. The pot legs need to be bent back at 90degrees so that the wires to the footswitch mod can be soldered on to the top side of the PCB. The output of the reverb A pot will need to be linked to where the output of the B pot was connected so that the single knob controls both channels. Again, if these instructions are followed, there is no reason why this cannot be reversed 100% to return the amp to stock should you need to. Full instructions will be supplied with the kits once i get it all written up. I can add the spare volume pot if required to the kit for an additional £1.50Otherwise they are available from Marshall for a bit less but theres a £3.50 postage charge on their orders. Please let me know if you want these pots and i will amend the price accordingly. Thanks for the orders so far, Ill confirm to everyone individaully once they are dispatched.

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