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Unread 12-26-2010, 12:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lets talk guitar and speaker cords

I'll admit it..... for years, i'll use any old cord
in any old hole! lol.
So... its time to purchase some new cords
and speaker cords ( a differrence?)
What brand would you recommend that
is reasonably priced?
Is there such a thing?
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Unread 12-26-2010, 01:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Lets talk guitar and speaker cords

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I'll admit it..... for years, i'll use any old cord
in any old hole! lol.
So... its time to purchase some new cords
and speaker cords ( a differrence?)
What brand would you recommend that
is reasonably priced?
Is there such a thing?
thanks, kenny s
Any 12 gauge speaker cable will work. You can even make your own out of extension cords if ya want. Nothing too critical here. The most current your cab will draw is about 5 amps, and that's assuming a 4 ohm cab on a 100 watter so 18 gauge will even work. I just prefer 12 for its rigidity and ruggedness.
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Unread 12-26-2010, 01:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Lets talk guitar and speaker cords

If you must spend on cords (I dont think Ive bought more than 2 in the last 15 years) buy the cheapest one with a warranty, better yet, just learn how to solder and repair the ends when they go bad.
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Re: Lets talk guitar and speaker cords

thanks....so a guitar cord is Not recommened for a head to
cab connection?
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Unread 12-26-2010, 02:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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No. Use a Speaker cable for Head to Cab.

On the subject of Instrument cables, this is a touchy subject to some. There are those who believe a quality cable 'adds' to the sound somehow, and others who don't believe this to be so. IMHO, buy a quality cable to avoid problems down the road and one that has a good warranty and reputation. At least that way, you lessen the chances that a cheap cable will keep giving out on you.
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Re: Lets talk guitar and speaker cords

For your guitar cords, there's a big difference in tone dependent on cord length. Shorter cords sound clearer and brighter and there are proper technical reasons why this is so, based on the capacitance of the cord and pickup impedance.

This does not apply to guitars with an active output, but for any normal guitar I dont use longer than 10' from guitar to first pedal. After the first active or non-true-bypass pedal, you can have a long cord if necessary from there to the amp.

And of course, some may prefer the sound of a longer cord, or need one anyway due to the stage set up.
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12ga for a guitar speaker cable! LOL good lord Why? Durability & rigidity, isn't that what Viagra is for?
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thanks....so a guitar cord is Not recommened for a head to
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Absolutely not.
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Not just "No" but "**** NO".

First and foremost, the center conductor on instrument cable is VERY thin and cannot carry the current that the speaker draws from the amplifier, which is usually in the range of several amps.

Second off...instrument cables have a capacitance to them. At higher frequencies they can appear as a dead short across the output.

Speaker cable on the other hand, is heavy gauge wire that is paired in the same jacket...not shielded like instrument cable is.

Not only is instrument cable not recommended to connect a load to the amp, it is a HUGE no no.
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Re: Lets talk guitar and speaker cords

I use 14 ga speaker cables for head to cab connections, and George L's cables (coaxial, very low capacitance, solderless plugs) for instrument input. I use a wireless, though, so except for studio, my bass/guitar is not physically connected to my amps. I've just picked up a Line 6 Relay G50 wireless unit, and I a/b'ed it with plugging directly in with the George L's cable, and there's NO difference. That blew me away. I've used high end Nady wireless systems live for years, and they always compressed my signal and coloured my tone somewhat. The G50 doesn't at all.

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Thanks for the explanation guys....
Learning.... always learning!
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IMPO, go with Monster Cables for speaker/guitar or whatever.. They're a good quality cable that's not too hard on the wallet.. Cords do make a difference but the crowd would probably never notice the change from one cord to the next.. Especially when your playing the heavy distortion stuff..

As for clean channel & strictly acoustic performances where clarity is a plus??.. Yes, cords can & usually will have a audible effect on your sound.. With this scenerio a bad, cheap or run of the mill cord can give you a low hiss or static type sounding noise.. Kinda like a tape hiss sound..
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Cool.......I just started reading all my cables and I have a 3 ft Pro co.
16/2 speaker cable that I'll use for my JCM800 head to cab.
I just need a 3 wire cable to get my marshall reverb/boost footswitch working correctly.

urrr.......now I just need to remove the instrument cable from the cabinet jack............
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I just need a 3 wire cable to get my marshall reverb/boost footswitch working correctly.
That's called a TRS cable (Tip/Ring/Sleeve). Most shops that deal in Pro Audio carry them.
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I really like my Bullet coily cable.
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IMPO, go with Monster Cables for speaker/guitar or whatever.. They're a good quality cable that's not too hard on the wallet.. Cords do make a difference but the crowd would probably never notice the change from one cord to the next.. Especially when your playing the heavy distortion stuff..

As for clean channel & strictly acoustic performances where clarity is a plus??.. Yes, cords can & usually will have a audible effect on your sound.. With this scenerio a bad, cheap or run of the mill cord can give you a low hiss or static type sounding noise.. Kinda like a tape hiss sound..
I gotta agree with this one.. I bought the cheapo cables waay back in the day and they worked for a while (so I thought).. once i really started putting a rig together, i started having problems.. i dunno where I heard it from, but what ever it was, i changed all my cables.. i just so happened to use monster cables (although there are plenty of good ones out there) and the difference was night and day, NO BS..

YES, i'm well aware that my original cables were junk and you probably won't get the results that I did; my point is that using really good quality cables is very important in achieving a solid, clean signal.. otherwise you'll be compensating for a crummy sound by adjusting the settings in your electronics, or purchasing things you never needed to help you limp along...
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I don't buy into all the marketing pitches being used to sell cables for 100's of dollars.A Perfect example would be gold connectors. The sales pitch being better tone and signal strength due to its improved electrical conduction properties but when you think about it, your not plugging it into a jack with gold contacts so whats the point.

To back up my thinking, when replacing memory in a computer, you must use RAM with contacts made from the same metal or you will get errors due to the low voltage created by the two different metals.

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I swear by Planet Waves custom pro series. I use 25' from guitar to pedals, then 25' from pedals to amp with no issues. Huge improvement over the cheapest house brand cables I used before. At one point I thought I would 'upgrade' to the Monster "Rock" cables, but I found myself trying to e.q. some high frequencies back in. Now I have a nice set of expensive backups.
As for speakers I use 12/3 SJOOW cord with Neutrik connectors. I use the SJOOW cord for extension cords at job sites where a forklift or truck might run over it. Tough stuff. But any cheap speaker wire will work as long as it can handle the power from the amp.
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Re: Lets talk guitar and speaker cords

12 awg speaker cables for a guitar amp!?


Well... unless, is it this guy's amp?



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Like anything else you can spend as little or as much as you want on guitar and speaker cables. Over the years, I have been purchasing cables from Lava Cable and have been very pleased with Mark's professionalism and level of service.

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SJOOW 12/3 is some seriously good wire. How the hell do you get the jacket inside of the connector?...lol...I would think 16 would be good considering the offical Marshall cables are 18ga.
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I use ship towing cables.

No, i use SP1000 and Rock Monster cables because i like them.
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Well... unless, is it this guy's amp?



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I only used the SJOOW because my old cheap cord had a flaky molded-on connector and I needed something quick. Already had a 500ft spool of the 12ga wire so I figured 'what the hell'.
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Works for me......i've got 4 of them.
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[QUOTE=chuckharmonjr;285014]SJOOW 12/3 is some seriously good wire. How the hell do you get the jacket inside of the connector?QUOTE]

Who said anything about fitting inside the connector? hahaha
Inside the connector is filled with liquid tape, then the jacket is butted up to the connector with a little bit of rubberized splicing tape covered with cheap ol Farm and Fleet heat shrink tubing.
It was either that or play a gig with duct tape and popsicle sticks holding my old cord in just the right spot.
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Who said anything about fitting inside the connector? hahaha
Inside the connector is filled with liquid tape, then the jacket is butted up to the connector with a little bit of rubberized splicing tape covered with cheap ol Farm and Fleet heat shrink tubing.
It was either that or play a gig with duct tape and popsicle sticks holding my old cord in just the right spot.
Dude, i grew up in the Freeport/Rockford area, i got all my winter gear from Farm & Fleet in the 70's.

I can tell you a story about when i was a kid sticking my tongue on a 12 volt lantern battery there too, it was NOT good.
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Anything Lava sells should be good. I don't like Monster Cable just because of all the BS they hype. I use Lava cable for my effects and Vovox or Mogami for everything else. No real difference in sound that I can tell, except for length of course. I actually like having a little bit of top-end rolled off due to longer cables. Gets rid of any harshness.
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I use a 14 gauge wire for speaker connections (inside cab too), simply because I've never had one go bad. I recently tossed one I made in the '70s only because the plugs were looking funky. Prior to that I used 16 gauge lamp wire found at hardware stores.

As for guitar cables... I used to always make my own with 18 gauge coaxial wire and Switchcraft ends. In recent times, retooling to go live again I fell prey to all the hype about cables. I have 3 grades of Monster and two Mogami cables. I have already replaced (warranty) the lowest grade Monster once, and the mid-grade twice. Also the bulkier molded plugs don't play nice with everything I have. Jacking straight into the amp I seemed to hear a slightly better response from the Mogami ~ which was right on par with two 30+ year old cables I made when I was gigging full time that had still been in use until I started buying these name brand cables (these were pedalboard to amp cables that did not get flexed much... my guitar to pedalboard cables got replaced far more often).

I'm hunting for a supply of good oxygen free copper coaxial cable now. One of the nice things about making your own is you can make whatever length you need. Unlike most branded cables, they can be repaired on the job - as opposed to being without that cable until you can spend your gas money driving to the store to get it replaced. A warranty is great. Doesn't mean squat when your cable starts crackling during a performance.

Nor do I recommend cheap production cables. They are usually made with inferior plugs and wire to save costs.
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Works for me......i've got 4 of them.
Man that's got a thick jacket for being only 16ga!
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Here's a couple of posts that are worthwhile reading on the subject:

Atlantic Quality Design, Inc., Gold Connectors / Oxygen Free Copper
Exotic Materials and Cable Construction - eCoustics.com

If you're soldering caps in amps and such... might as well be making your own custom cables to hook it all up and save yourself more than a little cash for other goodies.
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