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Unread 09-24-2010, 11:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mercury Magnetics?

Tell me about upgrading my Output Transformer? Will I hear a big difference at low volumes? high volumes? both?
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Unread 09-25-2010, 07:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

Good question. I know that when I had the output transformer replaced with a no name brand in my 78 2203 in the nineties, some mojo was definately lost.
Im def gonna replace it shortly.
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Tell me about upgrading my Output Transformer? Will I hear a big difference at low volumes? high volumes? both?
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Depends on if the output transformer you currently have is the weak link in your tone chain or not. Without knowing what type of amp, gear combination or type of tone you're after we can't really answer this question accurately. What kind of amp are we talking about?
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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

lets say for a stock DSL? Just wondering how much difference I will hear in the tone. I used to own one and got some great results with NOS tubes in there. But will the OT, PT, choke etc have much of a bearing? If so how much of a bearing will it have at lower volumes compared to when its cranked?
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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

Lots of positive reports on upgrading DSL/TSL trannys to the MM trannies. The stock trannys in these amps are in fact A weak link (not the only weak link but one of them). MM is one of the only manufacturers of DSL/TSL upgrade trannies. The other one is JCMJMP here on the boards.

Buggs.Crosby here on the forum upgraded to MM trannies in his and I believe TwinACStacks upgraded with JCMJMP's upgrade trannies and both had positive results with their tone. So you have a couple of options here.
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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

I put a MM OT in a chinese amp, it tightened up the low end a bit......$300 bucks for that, after tubes and the price i paid for the amp i could have had a nice JMP.

MM are overpriced IMHO, Heyboer & Onetics are just as good and probably cheaper.

I got caught in the marketing on MM's webpage.
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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

Thanks guys. So which out of the OT, PT and choke would have the biggest bearing on my sound? I may try one at a time.
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Thanks guys. So which out of the OT, PT and choke would have the biggest bearing on my sound? I may try one at a time.
Output Transformer would have the biggest impact on tone because it is the only one of the three that carries a guitar signal. The other two transformers I dont see much of an impact since the power transformer provides the supply voltage to the B+ and the filamants and the choke is there to supress a current rush into the tubes when the amp's standby is switched on.

Also, I good luck with transformers made by MAGNETIC COMPONENTS on my JCM 800 combo. They work great and very modestly priced.

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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

I am intrested in swapping my OT on my SL-X. Would a Heyboyer/MojoTone OT improve my tone, or would it be like stock replacement??

I think the MM Transformers are EXPENSIVE!!
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Unread 10-08-2010, 02:40 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

Paper-Vs.-Plastic

Check out this link;
I agree (IMO) MM is way over priced
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That is a link from a manufacture which means much of the technical and empirical information is most likely presented in an extremely bias fashion.

Saying Mercury Magnetics transformers are expensive is one thing, saying they are dull and lifeless is irresponsible.
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No, but what I HAVE found is that Mercuries tend to sound more "MODERN" IE: Upfront and in Your face, so to speak. They are wonderful in 900s and JCM2000s and I'd bet they kick ass in JVMs--But I wouldn't recommend, (JMHO), their OTs in earlier Marshalls like Plexis or JTMs. You will lose some of that "Vintagey Goodness".

The reason the Older Amps sound looser and smoother is the Shitty components they used way back when. Over the Years the drift of these components gives them that Vintage tone. Don't ask me why inferior caps like old mustards bring ridiculous prices, but they do.

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I listened to transformer shootout and the overpriced MM isn't any better than the Mojo/Heyboer or the Classic Tone. In fact, the Classic Tone sounded way better IMO. The Weber transformer sounded like muddy and gritty sh**...
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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

Yeah, you mean the shootout on Classic Tone's website.


Unfortunately it is difficult to develop an opinion outside that sphere of influence unless you have access.
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Those that are saying Mercury Magnetics are overpriced must not have a clue and i will tell you why......this is before getting to know Jon
i was planning on changing my lame DSL tranny with a MM.....then by chance a Fat Stack and a choke popped up on fleabay.....before i decided to bid i contacted MM to see if there was anyway i could test it before i installed it to make sure all was good.
i dont remember who it was that responded to me (though i stiil have that email i think) in that email i was told this

dont worry if it is indeed a MM fat stack it will be fine...if not send it in and we will take care of it

first thing that came into my head was "****ing Insane"....this is a used item and they are giving me some kinda warranty?.......not sure if that was the case but DSHell would not sound the same without them and it is the very same one that i bid on and won

how many other companies can or will do that?....again they were used!

Over priced?......at $220 used for both to my door and backed up by the manufacturer is far from over priced........that is a customer for life!
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I listened to transformer shootout and the overpriced MM isn't any better than the Mojo/Heyboer or the Classic Tone. In fact, the Classic Tone sounded way better IMO. The Weber transformer sounded like muddy and gritty sh**...
I hadn't read the whole thing at this point but, i actualy liked the Heyboer,weber THEN classic and LASTLY the MM going purely from sound clips. the heyboer had a more agressive quality with more upper mid emphasis. I liked that about it it was very marshall" sounding.
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where's this tranny shootout located? I'd like to take a listen
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i agree with Hollowbody on this.....for one i did not find a shootout on that link....for two....it is manufacturers page....why should we beleive anything other than a bias against their competition?

now i am not saying anything bad about them as i have no experience with them
but at least have a shootout that is impartial if there was one
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It is right here...
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No, but what I HAVE found is that Mercuries tend to sound more "MODERN" IE: Upfront and in Your face, so to speak. They are wonderful in 900s and JCM2000s and I'd bet they kick ass in JVMs--But I wouldn't recommend, (JMHO), their OTs in earlier Marshalls like Plexis or JTMs. You will lose some of that "Vintagey Goodness".

I have used a MM Toneclone 045JT and then switched to a MM Radiospare 045RS2 in the same amp both times with different sounding results.

I don't think all MM opt have the same sonic signature.
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Re: Mercury Magnetics?

FWIW:

I like MM but I know they are expensive when I payed straight out retail. I just like being able to hear a compairson from users not companies.

I have a Heyboer opt on a Watts audio Supro clone, my Valve Jr. has a Weber opt.

And I plan on using Magnetic Components on my 18 watt kit and hopefully a Ceriatone Crem Brulee kit.

Seriously, if I can get excellent tone from Classic Tone then why not save the cash.
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I like MM but I know they are expensive when I payed straight out retail. I just like being able to hear a compairson from users not companies.

I have a Heyboer opt on a Watts audio Supro clone, my Valve Jr. has a Weber opt.

And I plan on using Magnetic Components on my 18 watt kit and hopefully a Ceriatone Crem Brulee kit.

Seriously, if I can get excellent tone from Classic Tone then why not save the cash.
so far i'm very satisfied with my classic tone JCM800 2204 iron..
tonality is great in low volume playing (1x12") with only volume 1



or in studio using 1960 4x12" with volume 7 or more...
and what makes me happy that the 2204 clone cut through the mix in the band..
other guitarist was using 5150, and couldn't hear his guitar clearly, but he sure did hear my guitar loud n clear

and the price for the iron is just right for my budget, even though in my case shipping and taxes are pain in the ass...
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Lots of positive reports on upgrading DSL/TSL trannys to the MM trannies. The stock trannys in these amps are in fact A weak link (not the only weak link but one of them). MM is one of the only manufacturers of DSL/TSL upgrade trannies. The other one is JCMJMP here on the boards.

Buggs.Crosby here on the forum upgraded to MM trannies in his and I believe TwinACStacks upgraded with JCMJMP's upgrade trannies and both had positive results with their tone. So you have a couple of options here.
I've been reading a lot lately about guys here replacing the OT in their DSL as well. I was thinking of upgrading mine, but I checked and I've got Drake transformers in mine, aren't those supposed to be some of the best?? Did they start using a different brand later on or something?
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so far i'm very satisfied with my classic tone JCM800 2204 iron..
tonality is great in low volume playing (1x12") with only volume 1

in studio using 1960 4x12" with volume 7 or more...
and what makes me happy that the 2204 clone cut through the mix in the band..
other guitarist was using 5150, and couldn't hear his guitar clearly, but he sure did hear my guitar loud n clear

and the price for the iron is just right for my budget, even though in my case shipping and taxes are pain in the ass...
Great shots of the chassis, very nice work.
Are you using Sozo caps? It looks like it, those are great caps.
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Great shots of the chassis, very nice work.
Are you using Sozo caps? It looks like it, those are great caps.
thanks, and yes those are sozo caps between brown riken resistors
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I listened to transformer shootout and the overpriced MM isn't any better than the Mojo/Heyboer or the Classic Tone. In fact, the Classic Tone sounded way better IMO. The Weber transformer sounded like muddy and gritty sh**...
keep this in mind....who made the shootout?....what tranny's did they use from the other manufacturers?. so far you have based your opinion off of what is written by the host manufacturer.....with that said i would not hesitate to try a tranny from any of the ones listed

but i am basing my MM opinion after having owned them for around a year or so. and i had great results so i am a little biased towards them.....one tranny not mentioned was the Lydian and i would try his also as we have heard of positive results here on the boards

and as far as modern sounding i would have to agree....but i also have the Fat Stack which was intended to sound modern.......here is a pic of them side by side....there is a good amount of iron to it
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A good upgrade tranny like the ones I have on www.lydian.ca will really open up your amp. I found that my DSL has more definition, balls and it just seems alive with the new OT. I love it and so do others:
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I know for a FACT that JC's Power Xformer KILLS.... I'm betting the OT does too.

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keep this in mind....who made the shootout?....what tranny's did they use from the other manufacturers?. so far you have based your opinion off of what is written by the host manufacturer.....with that said i would not hesitate to try a tranny from any of the ones listed

but i am basing my MM opinion after having owned them for around a year or so. and i had great results so i am a little biased towards them.....one tranny not mentioned was the Lydian and i would try his also as we have heard of positive results here on the boards

and as far as modern sounding i would have to agree....but i also have the Fat Stack which was intended to sound modern.......here is a pic of them side by side....there is a good amount of iron to it


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