I am kind of embarassed to ask this but...

80's Rocker · 10-20-2009, 10:17 PM

I am not familiar with effects at all. I know what reverb, distortion, and wah sound like and thats all! I am wanting to get a new pedal soon, maybe this weekend so I need to as... What type of effect does Reb turn on at around 0:36? Sorry if its dumb, but I have to learn some how and I figure the folks here might not laugh at me as much as somewhere else lol. Does he even turn on anything at all? I think it kind of sounds different but maybe I am just hearing things?

Thanks guys, you rock!

YouTube - Reb Beach playing Black Magic

wegman · 10-20-2009, 10:30 PM

I may be wrong but it sounds like a touch of delay to me.

I wish I could get that kind of tone.

MartyStrat54 · 10-20-2009, 11:32 PM

Yeah, he's using some medium delay to fatten up his tap playing. I use a Boss Digital Delay. These are some of the more expensive stomp boxes. I have an old DigiTech RP12 that I still use. It has some great digital delays. Just so you know a chorus pedal can sound similar to a digital delay, but it has like a wave effect to it...a rise and fall in the amplitude of the signal. Depending on how serious the digital effect is, you can program all sorts of time delays, attack amplitude, delay amplitude and stuff like that.

Besides a good distortion pedal and wah, I would want a chorus and a digital delay. The other stuff is just extra. I like the sound of a chorus over a Phase Shifter for instance. When I see guys with 20 friggin pedals, I just shake my head. If you need that much shit, go to a programmable fx unit.

I used to have my RP12 set up to match the band's set list. All I would have to do is tap a selector and the fx unit went through the set list. I would hate to be on a small, cramped stage and try to click on one of my 20 pedals, let alone try to troubleshoot it on a dark stage. It's almost humorous.

80's Rocker · 10-20-2009, 11:38 PM

Thanks for the responses guys.

Yea Marty, those are the 2 I am trying to decide to get right now. A chorus or a delay. I might end up getting both sooner or later but I dont know which one to get 1st. I know I am going to get a compressor or noise gate and then just maybe 1 or 2 pedals then I am done. I also have to consider that my 2204 has no fx loop so I dont know how a chorus or delay will go up in front and sound. Im sure I will figure something out though.

thrawn86 · 10-20-2009, 11:59 PM

IMHO, I'd get the chorus first, but that's just me.

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-21-2009, 12:24 AM

sorry , i don't agree , i delay pedal is a mainstay of most rock guys rig , i only
use chorus on my clean stuff ! , but to each there own ..

shawkey · 10-21-2009, 04:47 AM

delay or chorus? whichever you choose first dosen't matter, just get a quality pedal since you have to front end it. if your looking for more than 1 preset check out line 6 dl4(delay) mm4(chor,phase,flange,rotory spkr.)

wkcchampion · 10-21-2009, 05:50 AM

I'd get both delay and chorus. The 80s featured lots of them.. me likes ^^

Be sure to use them (especially the delay) in the FX loop of your amp. This is because, if u give some gain, the delay will distort too!

Marco

steelhorse · 10-21-2009, 07:48 AM

I agree with wkcc. Can't go wrong with both and delay thru the loop is usually best.

solarburnDSL50 · 10-21-2009, 10:35 AM

Buy the delay and then chorus in that order hehe. Delay for sure but you get what you like.

LesPaulopolis · 10-21-2009, 12:48 PM

+1 Delay then Chorus

I leave mine on all the time. They make Marshall cleans "pretty". Stomp a SD-1 for leads!

steelhorse · 10-21-2009, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LesPaulopolis

+1 Delay then Chorus

I leave mine on all the time. They make Marshall cleans "pretty". Stomp a SD-1 for leads!

I'm the opposite. I have delays last in the chain but that's a personal preference.

80's Rocker · 10-21-2009, 05:08 PM

Awesome, thanks guys. I will probably get a delay first and then get a chorus. I have no fx loop though, so I am going to have to stick em all up front and hope that it sounds okay.

steelhorse · 10-21-2009, 05:14 PM

D'oh! That's what the guys meant: buy the delay first then the chorus, sorry, my bad!

80's Rocker · 10-21-2009, 05:32 PM

Whats the difference between analog and digital? Is one suppose to be better or just personal preference? What are some good brands that are affordable other than the SD-1 (which I am going to watch some videos of and check out).

***Adwex*** · 10-21-2009, 06:06 PM

Delay might not sound good in front of the amp if you use alot of gain.

solarburnDSL50 · 10-21-2009, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adwex

Delay might not sound good in front of the amp if you use alot of gain.

This.

Volume adjustments can throw it off while its in the front while using gain. I know when I did this I had it all set at one volume and then when I turned the amp up I had to set the amount of delay all over again. Very noticeable difference. In a loop it is much more manageable especially with guitar volume roll off changes while playing. The more gain the worse delay is in the front IME.

80's Rocker · 10-21-2009, 11:20 PM

Should I not get a delay then? I dont use a crap load of gain or play at really high volumes. My volume usually does not exceed 2, my pre amp is on 6 and my TS9 is on about 1 o' clock drive and 3 o' clock level. I really want the sound of the delay but I dont want to go buy a nice pedal if it is going to sound awful. I also thought about getting this Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal and more Guitar Effects at GuitarCenter.com. would that make the delay sound any better if I put that in front of it, because I think I read something about the return/send acting as a loop or something?

solarburnDSL50 · 10-21-2009, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80's Rocker

Should I not get a delay then? I dont use a crap load of gain or play at really high volumes. My volume usually does not exceed 2, my pre amp is on 6 and my TS9 is on about 1 o' clock drive and 3 o' clock level. I really want the sound of the delay but I dont want to go buy a nice pedal if it is going to sound awful. I also thought about getting this Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal and more Guitar Effects at GuitarCenter.com. would that make the delay sound any better if I put that in front of it, because I think I read something about the return/send acting as a loop or something?

I like to have some delay even if its just a tad. It can work but it may take a bit more effort to get it it right for you. Its more manageable and efficient in a loop unless the loop is total shite. It depends on the amp too. I have to do it on my Night Train. Cleans are no problem but gain takes more tweeking. I got it to sound good. The Marshall was alot harder using gain and the pedal in front.

Having the loop makes it alot easier. If it was me I'd still get one and try it out. Most places have a 45 day trial period so keep the pedal looking new. If you don't like it send it back. I like delay over reverb.

***Adwex*** · 10-22-2009, 09:38 AM

Put the delay after the TS.

Frankie · 10-22-2009, 02:20 PM

Another +1 for delay before chorus. Delay is the shiznit, but I'm an analog delay kinda guy. I like that infidelity in the repeats.

LesPaulopolis · 10-22-2009, 02:36 PM

You don't need a noise suppressor.

Get a used BOSS delay unit. You don't need to be spending big bucks on this. Sure, analog is more old-school and may have "better" tone, but really, almost every guitarist I know has and uses a BOSS DD-3, DD-5 or DD-6 and they're all great. I've used them in the front of solid-states, in front of Fenders, Mesas, Marshalls, etc. etc. and they do the trick.

If you want to go a little further, Line6 makes a sweet delay/looper that is way versatile and a lot of fun. Can't remember the model, but it's green and has 4 footswitches.

You could also go analog, but I'll let someone with more analog experience tell you why they're different/better/worse.

Really, you should be able to get a used DD-3, 5, or 6 for about $80 and a used chorus for $40. They haven't made these pedals any "better" with newer version IMO. If anything, construction and components keep getting cheaper and what was once 'standard' in terms of quality is now 'boutique'.

Once you've got the delay pedal and the chorus you'll wonder how you ever lived without the lush-ness.

And yes, Steelhorse, once you've bought both these pedals, have the chorus before the delay in your chain, delay should be the last thing in your chain.

David Gilmour thinks that setting your delay to three repeats that are more or less a "triplet" is the most 'musical sounding' delay setting and I agree 100%

D.Dailey · 10-22-2009, 04:06 PM

You dont really need a noise suppressor..
But a nice Compression & Sustainer (Boss CS3) is usually what starts my signal chain when useing boxes..
It can help alot of things.

Generally will run CS3 to whatever type of distortion effect to a Morely Distortion-Volume-Wha to maybe a Univibe then Delay, from there I can split mine into a stereo setup..
DSL-100/ Tweed 4x10 Blues DeVille..
It took me a while to figure out why I liked the sound of that setup so much..

80's Rocker · 10-22-2009, 04:24 PM

Alright cool. I wont get a noise suppresor if you guys really dont think I need one, and that will save me $100! I think I am going to get a delay pedal in the boss line too.

Thank you all for the responses, hopefully I can get somewhere this weekend to get my pedal(s)!

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-22-2009, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LesPaulopolis

You don't need a noise suppressor.

Get a used BOSS delay unit. You don't need to be spending big bucks on this. Sure, analog is more old-school and may have "better" tone, but really, almost every guitarist I know has and uses a BOSS DD-3, DD-5 or DD-6 and they're all great. I've used them in the front of solid-states, in front of Fenders, Mesas, Marshalls, etc. etc. and they do the trick.

If you want to go a little further, Line6 makes a sweet delay/looper that is way versatile and a lot of fun. Can't remember the model, but it's green and has 4 footswitches.

You could also go analog, but I'll let someone with more analog experience tell you why they're different/better/worse.

Really, you should be able to get a used DD-3, 5, or 6 for about $80 and a used chorus for $40. They haven't made these pedals any "better" with newer version IMO. If anything, construction and components keep getting cheaper and what was once 'standard' in terms of quality is now 'boutique'.

Once you've got the delay pedal and the chorus you'll wonder how you ever lived without the lush-ness.

And yes, Steelhorse, once you've bought both these pedals, have the chorus before the delay in your chain, delay should be the last thing in your chain.

David Gilmour thinks that setting your delay to three repeats that are more or less a "triplet" is the most 'musical sounding' delay setting and I agree 100%

have a read here man !! good advise i'd say !!!

Mike_j · 10-23-2009, 12:54 AM

A delay is always handy have. That first I reckon.
What about a phaser or flanger instead of a chorus? Maybe you could try those out?

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-23-2009, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D.Dailey

You dont really need a noise suppressor..
But a nice Compression & Sustainer (Boss CS3) is usually what starts my signal chain when useing boxes..
It can help alot of things.

Generally will run CS3 to whatever type of distortion effect to a Morely Distortion-Volume-Wha to maybe a Univibe then Delay, from there I can split mine into a stereo setup..
DSL-100/ Tweed 4x10 Blues DeVille..
It took me a while to figure out why I liked the sound of that setup so much..

boss CS-3 , another pedal that needs a mod , if you have one have it modded , you will love it then , great pedal after a mod !!! just my 2 c

JohnH · 10-23-2009, 06:43 AM

Lots of answers, to a good question, so heres mine:

I have a Digitech X series delay, and one of the settings is a modulated delay, ie delay plus chorus. A little of that is a beautiful effect that I use often. And if you turn the delay right down you are left with a chorus only! Not as versatile as a standalone chorus, but good sounding and enough that my dedicated chorus pedal is no longer on my board. Other settings include an analogue delay simulation, and several stages of digital delays from a few ms up to 4 second, and a 4 second loop. Its a good pedal, and as strong as a Boss but cheaper. They have now brought out the Hardwire series which should be even better.

BTW, in case it has not been covered above, an analogue delay sounds like the delays gradually degrade or become more mellow at each echo, while a pure digital delay stays identical in tone as it fades each time.

John

Frankie · 10-23-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_j

A delay is always handy have. That first I reckon.
What about a phaser or flanger instead of a chorus? Maybe you could try those out?

I prefer flanger to chorus myself, but flanger isn't something to leave on all the time, you know?

Mike_j · 10-24-2009, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

I prefer flanger to chorus myself, but flanger isn't something to leave on all the time, you know?

True.

What I have found though is when I crank my Strat through my DSL and have ALL the flanger controls set to zero with a slight nudge on the depth, you get a really good "wooden" type sound. You don't get the flange effect by it does something very cool to the eq.

10-20-2009, 10:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
wegman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 138	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... I may be wrong but it sounds like a touch of delay to me. I wish I could get that kind of tone. __________________ Ian St Ian says "If your not playing Gibson and Marshall your a wanker!" Marshall JCM 800 2210 (1989) Marshall MG CD10 (hi guys!) Gibson Les Paul Custom (1981) Mackie 24x8 mixing console Alesis ADAT HD 24 digital recorder Shure KSM 27

10-20-2009, 11:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
MartyStrat54 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Formerly Phoenix, now north of KC Posts: 2,583	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... Yeah, he's using some medium delay to fatten up his tap playing. I use a Boss Digital Delay. These are some of the more expensive stomp boxes. I have an old DigiTech RP12 that I still use. It has some great digital delays. Just so you know a chorus pedal can sound similar to a digital delay, but it has like a wave effect to it...a rise and fall in the amplitude of the signal. Depending on how serious the digital effect is, you can program all sorts of time delays, attack amplitude, delay amplitude and stuff like that. Besides a good distortion pedal and wah, I would want a chorus and a digital delay. The other stuff is just extra. I like the sound of a chorus over a Phase Shifter for instance. When I see guys with 20 friggin pedals, I just shake my head. If you need that much shit, go to a programmable fx unit. I used to have my RP12 set up to match the band's set list. All I would have to do is tap a selector and the fx unit went through the set list. I would hate to be on a small, cramped stage and try to click on one of my 20 pedals, let alone try to troubleshoot it on a dark stage. It's almost humorous. __________________ MARTY 2009 Gibson Explorer-Hell Raising Machine 1989 Fender Strat Plus USA 2008 Fender Tele USA 2004 Schecter Elite w/DiMarzio's TSL100 with custom 4x12 cab. TSL122 with Man 'O War Speakers. TSL602 #1 with JBL D123 Speakers and 602 #2 with Altec 417 Speakers. "Oh so sweet my friends." DSL401 #1 with Red Fang Speaker and 401 #2 with JBL D123 Speaker. Tubes: Let's just say they are NOS that kick ass.

10-20-2009, 11:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... Thanks for the responses guys. Yea Marty, those are the 2 I am trying to decide to get right now. A chorus or a delay. I might end up getting both sooner or later but I dont know which one to get 1st. I know I am going to get a compressor or noise gate and then just maybe 1 or 2 pedals then I am done. I also have to consider that my 2204 has no fx loop so I dont know how a chorus or delay will go up in front and sound. Im sure I will figure something out though. __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

10-20-2009, 11:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
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HOT TUBES 70 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,675	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... sorry , i don't agree , i delay pedal is a mainstay of most rock guys rig , i only use chorus on my clean stuff ! , but to each there own .. __________________ MARSHALL 6100LM MARSHALL 1960A W/-G12H 30's CUSTOM BUILT 2X12 W/-V30's "MARSHALL" - only the best will do !

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shawkey Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: philly pa Posts: 36	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... delay or chorus? whichever you choose first dosen't matter, just get a quality pedal since you have to front end it. if your looking for more than 1 preset check out line 6 dl4(delay) mm4(chor,phase,flange,rotory spkr.)

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wkcchampion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 145	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... I'd get both delay and chorus. The 80s featured lots of them.. me likes ^^ Be sure to use them (especially the delay) in the FX loop of your amp. This is because, if u give some gain, the delay will distort too! Marco

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steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... I agree with wkcc. Can't go wrong with both and delay thru the loop is usually best. __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

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LesPaulopolis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 250	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... +1 Delay then Chorus I leave mine on all the time. They make Marshall cleans "pretty". Stomp a SD-1 for leads! __________________ '68 RI LP Custom JCM900 + EQ & Boost

10-21-2009, 05:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... Awesome, thanks guys. I will probably get a delay first and then get a chorus. I have no fx loop though, so I am going to have to stick em all up front and hope that it sounds okay. __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

10-21-2009, 05:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
steelhorse Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,888	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... D'oh! That's what the guys meant: buy the delay first then the chorus, sorry, my bad! __________________ www.ricojronline.com 760-956-6619 Garmopat Pedal Mods "I wouldn't mind hearing your head smash through a glass door. That would be cool..." luekmeyer

10-21-2009, 05:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... Whats the difference between analog and digital? Is one suppose to be better or just personal preference? What are some good brands that are affordable other than the SD-1 (which I am going to watch some videos of and check out). __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

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10-21-2009, 11:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... Should I not get a delay then? I dont use a crap load of gain or play at really high volumes. My volume usually does not exceed 2, my pre amp is on 6 and my TS9 is on about 1 o' clock drive and 3 o' clock level. I really want the sound of the delay but I dont want to go buy a nice pedal if it is going to sound awful. I also thought about getting this Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal and more Guitar Effects at GuitarCenter.com. would that make the delay sound any better if I put that in front of it, because I think I read something about the return/send acting as a loop or something? __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

10-22-2009, 09:38 AM	#20 (permalink)
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10-22-2009, 02:20 PM	#21 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... Another +1 for delay before chorus. Delay is the shiznit, but I'm an analog delay kinda guy. I like that infidelity in the repeats. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

10-22-2009, 02:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
LesPaulopolis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 250	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... You don't need a noise suppressor. Get a used BOSS delay unit. You don't need to be spending big bucks on this. Sure, analog is more old-school and may have "better" tone, but really, almost every guitarist I know has and uses a BOSS DD-3, DD-5 or DD-6 and they're all great. I've used them in the front of solid-states, in front of Fenders, Mesas, Marshalls, etc. etc. and they do the trick. If you want to go a little further, Line6 makes a sweet delay/looper that is way versatile and a lot of fun. Can't remember the model, but it's green and has 4 footswitches. You could also go analog, but I'll let someone with more analog experience tell you why they're different/better/worse. Really, you should be able to get a used DD-3, 5, or 6 for about $80 and a used chorus for $40. They haven't made these pedals any "better" with newer version IMO. If anything, construction and components keep getting cheaper and what was once 'standard' in terms of quality is now 'boutique'. Once you've got the delay pedal and the chorus you'll wonder how you ever lived without the lush-ness. And yes, Steelhorse, once you've bought both these pedals, have the chorus before the delay in your chain, delay should be the last thing in your chain. David Gilmour thinks that setting your delay to three repeats that are more or less a "triplet" is the most 'musical sounding' delay setting and I agree 100% __________________ '68 RI LP Custom JCM900 + EQ & Boost

10-22-2009, 04:06 PM	#23 (permalink)
D.Dailey Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The Beer Tent Capital of the World (Muskegon , Michigan) Posts: 66	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... You dont really need a noise suppressor.. But a nice Compression & Sustainer (Boss CS3) is usually what starts my signal chain when useing boxes.. It can help alot of things. Generally will run CS3 to whatever type of distortion effect to a Morely Distortion-Volume-Wha to maybe a Univibe then Delay, from there I can split mine into a stereo setup.. DSL-100/ Tweed 4x10 Blues DeVille.. It took me a while to figure out why I liked the sound of that setup so much..

10-22-2009, 04:24 PM	#24 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... Alright cool. I wont get a noise suppresor if you guys really dont think I need one, and that will save me $100! I think I am going to get a delay pedal in the boss line too. Thank you all for the responses, hopefully I can get somewhere this weekend to get my pedal(s)! __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

10-23-2009, 12:54 AM	#26 (permalink)
Mike_j Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 126	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... A delay is always handy have. That first I reckon. What about a phaser or flanger instead of a chorus? Maybe you could try those out? __________________ "...the world is your oyster but your future's a clam..."

10-23-2009, 06:43 AM	#28 (permalink)
JohnH Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wollongong NSW Posts: 640	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... Lots of answers, to a good question, so heres mine: I have a Digitech X series delay, and one of the settings is a modulated delay, ie delay plus chorus. A little of that is a beautiful effect that I use often. And if you turn the delay right down you are left with a chorus only! Not as versatile as a standalone chorus, but good sounding and enough that my dedicated chorus pedal is no longer on my board. Other settings include an analogue delay simulation, and several stages of digital delays from a few ms up to 4 second, and a 4 second loop. Its a good pedal, and as strong as a Boss but cheaper. They have now brought out the Hardwire series which should be even better. BTW, in case it has not been covered above, an analogue delay sounds like the delays gradually degrade or become more mellow at each echo, while a pure digital delay stays identical in tone as it fades each time. John __________________ DSL401 8412 cab Crate Powerblock 1 x 12 Vintage 30 cab '76 Shergold Masquerader '93 Les Paul Studio '83 Roadstar

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