I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... - Page 2

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-24-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnH

Lots of answers, to a good question, so heres mine:

I have a Digitech X series delay, and one of the settings is a modulated delay, ie delay plus chorus. A little of that is a beautiful effect that I use often. And if you turn the delay right down you are left with a chorus only! Not as versatile as a standalone chorus, but good sounding and enough that my dedicated chorus pedal is no longer on my board. Other settings include an analogue delay simulation, and several stages of digital delays from a few ms up to 4 second, and a 4 second loop. Its a good pedal, and as strong as a Boss but cheaper. They have now brought out the Hardwire series which should be even better.

BTW, in case it has not been covered above, an analogue delay sounds like the delays gradually degrade or become more mellow at each echo, while a pure digital delay stays identical in tone as it fades each time.

John

but on some digital units can't you set the decay rate , or am i incorrect ?
in any case i prefer the analoge over digital ....

JohnH · 10-24-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

but on some digital units can't you set the decay rate , or am i incorrect ?
in any case i prefer the analoge over digital ....

Mine has three digital ranges, plus the analog sim, modulated, and reverse delays, plus loop. On the first 5, you can set the time between repeats and the decay in level between each repeat. On the analogue sim, in addition, the treble rolls off a bit more on each echo.

I use my Digitech as a slap-back echo for rockabilly tracks, as a substitute for reverb on many songs with the analoge delay set to closely-spaced decaying repeats, as a chorus using the modulated delay with minimum time or as chorused repeats, and digital delay for more overt delay effects. All the sounds are high quality. I never found a use for reverse delay, and the loop, at 4 seconds, is too short for much but overall, I can get all I need with this box, with an overdrive pedal and a tuner.

John

DC135er · 10-24-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 80's Rocker

Should I not get a delay then? I dont use a crap load of gain or play at really high volumes. My volume usually does not exceed 2, my pre amp is on 6 and my TS9 is on about 1 o' clock drive and 3 o' clock level. I really want the sound of the delay but I dont want to go buy a nice pedal if it is going to sound awful. I also thought about getting this Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor Pedal and more Guitar Effects at GuitarCenter.com. would that make the delay sound any better if I put that in front of it, because I think I read something about the return/send acting as a loop or something?

I've been playing for forty years and have never had a problem running my delays into the front of my amp. The thing is, you adjust to it. I use a Marshall echohead thru my JCM 900 and it sounds great. In fact, I hate to say this but I've never even used the effects loop in this amp. Dang, now I have a quest.

Wilder Amplification · 10-24-2009, 09:33 PM

You can even use the delay to get a chorus sound if you set a really short delay, and I mean REALLY short (like 15-25mS) and about 12:00 on the feedback control. Experimentation is key.

Noise suppressors/gates are band aids for another problem. Make sure you use good patch cables and that your guitar's electronics are properly wired and shielded, and that you don't have any pedals with an internal ground loop and you will have a quiet setup. They do make a great band aid though for bars/clubs with shitty electrical wiring but nowadays those are few and far between in my experience.

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-24-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilder Amplification

You can even use the delay to get a chorus sound if you set a really short delay, and I mean REALLY short (like 15-25mS) and about 12:00 on the feedback control. Experimentation is key.

Noise suppressors/gates are band aids for another problem. Make sure you use good patch cables and that your guitar's electronics are properly wired and shielded, and that you don't have any pedals with an internal ground loop and you will have a quiet setup. They do make a great band aid though for bars/clubs with shitty electrical wiring but nowadays those are few and far between in my experience.

great advise !! because i build custom pedal boards , you should see
how many times i see guys bringin me there old boards to swap the pedals
over , and the friggin crap that is on there boards is just silly , literally i
have had patch cables with " twisted " together grounds with black tape
wrapped around them etc , etc . its laughable really !!!!

80's Rocker · 10-24-2009, 10:46 PM

I am getting some good advice here lol! I was going to get my pedal tonight but it got too late after I went costume shopping then tommorow I have to work so I dunno

. On the upside though, I will make alot tommorow and I will get more time to think about what delay I want. I am still trying to decide between analog and digital as the digital seems great but I like the idea of it somewhat fading every little echo. I will be tweaking and experimenting alot. I just tend to do that on a regular basis, so I should be well off I think putting it up front. After my job tommorow I might have enough money to get a chorus and a delay all in one trip! So I am hoping for that.

Thanks again for everybody's comments and suggestions, they are all appreciated!

rusinko · 10-25-2009, 09:52 PM

i'd def go for the noise suppressor..cuts all the hiss from the dist and wah, all the swirls from the chorus, flange ect... even cuts out the hum when your sitting next to your computer jammin' to your playlist getting ready for a gig. noise suppressor is a must in my book. i use the Boss NS-2.. also if your playin' bars you wouldn't believe the noise you pick-up...

80's Rocker · 10-25-2009, 10:08 PM

I seem to be getting alot of different opinions about the noise suppressor, I might just try it out myself to see what I like!

Thanks for the suggestion.

LesBalls · 10-25-2009, 11:44 PM

What you are hearing at 00:36 is the harmony guitar line from the backing track that Reb is playing to.

80's Rocker · 10-26-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LesBalls

What you are hearing at 00:36 is the harmony guitar line from the backing track that Reb is playing to.

Oh ok awesome thanks, it got kind of off topic of what the sound actually was and more on delay and chorus lol. I never really found out until now.

LesBalls · 10-26-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 80's Rocker

Oh ok awesome thanks, it got kind of off topic of what the sound actually was and more on delay and chorus lol. I never really found out until now.

No problem. Lots of times, what people mistake for chorus is really the Eventide Harmonizer. It is all over that stuff. It's even on Van Halen I and II and is a major ingredient that people leave out when discussing those tones. Some guys didn't use it in their live rigs, but it was most definitely on the recordings.

You should look into picking up the Eventide Pitch Factor pedal so you can use the effect all those guys used which is Micropitch.

You can thank me later

HOT TUBES 70 · 10-27-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 80's Rocker

Oh ok awesome thanks, it got kind of off topic of what the sound actually was and more on delay and chorus lol. I never really found out until now.

when done right , that stuff sounds so cool !!

Mase947 · 11-06-2009, 10:19 AM

It sounds like hes got a doubler like whats found on an eventide.

10-24-2009, 10:46 PM	#36 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... I am getting some good advice here lol! I was going to get my pedal tonight but it got too late after I went costume shopping then tommorow I have to work so I dunno . On the upside though, I will make alot tommorow and I will get more time to think about what delay I want. I am still trying to decide between analog and digital as the digital seems great but I like the idea of it somewhat fading every little echo. I will be tweaking and experimenting alot. I just tend to do that on a regular basis, so I should be well off I think putting it up front. After my job tommorow I might have enough money to get a chorus and a delay all in one trip! So I am hoping for that. Thanks again for everybody's comments and suggestions, they are all appreciated! __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

10-25-2009, 09:52 PM	#37 (permalink)
rusinko Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 28	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... i'd def go for the noise suppressor..cuts all the hiss from the dist and wah, all the swirls from the chorus, flange ect... even cuts out the hum when your sitting next to your computer jammin' to your playlist getting ready for a gig. noise suppressor is a must in my book. i use the Boss NS-2.. also if your playin' bars you wouldn't believe the noise you pick-up... __________________ www.myspace.com/powerslaveband www.myspace.com/paulfrompowerslave

10-25-2009, 10:08 PM	#38 (permalink)
80's Rocker Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: stuck in the 80's! Posts: 251	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... I seem to be getting alot of different opinions about the noise suppressor, I might just try it out myself to see what I like! Thanks for the suggestion. __________________ 80's Rocker Epiphone Les Paul Stantard Marshall JCM 800 2204 1960 Cab Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Charvel Model 1 Rock On!

10-25-2009, 11:44 PM	#39 (permalink)
LesBalls Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 63	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... What you are hearing at 00:36 is the harmony guitar line from the backing track that Reb is playing to.

11-06-2009, 10:19 AM	#43 (permalink)
Mase947 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 91	Re: I am kind of embarassed to ask this but... It sounds like hes got a doubler like whats found on an eventide. __________________ I dont know these guys but they are my new favorite. http://www.mixposure.com/THUNDERHEAD/music.php

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