Reverb/Compression sucks.

rockinr0ll · 09-24-2009, 08:19 PM

Am I the only one that thinks reverb from a box sounds awful? I love natural reverb from a real room but anything contrived just sounds muddy and dampening. I also hate added compression on electric guitar, why add what is already there in the first place?

bro blue · 09-24-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockinr0ll

Am I the only one that thinks reverb from a box sounds awful? I love natural reverb from a real room but anything contrived just sounds muddy and dampening. I also hate added compression on electric guitar, why add what is already there in the first place?

Why add what's already there? For the same reason people use OD pedals - they want either more of what's already there or they want to shape it in some way. I have never been a big fan of using comps, but with a lot of high gain stuff it is useful. Some of the best clean tones have been shaped with them.

Reverbs are the same way. Even f you don't want a classic reverb effect, you can tweak the decay and tone to shape your tone.

Frankie · 09-25-2009, 03:10 PM

No offense, man, but you shouldn't really be tone policing on compression and reverb when you're plugging into an AVT50 head. There's nothing quite like a real, tube-driven spring reverb (a la Fender) when you get down to it, and a solid state power section and mostly solid state preamp isn't even gonna get you close to real, singing compression. On top of that, running a small bit of compression on your input signal is a great way to clean up your sound and get more attack and punch out of your guitar, which ultimately lets your amp do more of what it's supposed to do. Just my 2 cents.

Frankie · 09-25-2009, 03:15 PM

On top of that, what do you think the first two things normally added in the studio are? Give ya two guesses!

rockinr0ll · 09-25-2009, 03:16 PM

LOL, you thinking I only own a AVT I find hilarious, I don't like to brag that I own a '72 Marshall but w/e . Obviously this was a bit of a troll post, but I was hoping someone would give a good defense for them instead of just an attack at me. Relax it's just the internet.

Frankie · 09-25-2009, 03:20 PM

I wasn't attacking at all, man. Seriously though, try some small compression on the input signal, it's amazing what it does. It's like everything else though and needs to be used in moderation. Too much compression can make anything sound unauthentic.

rockinr0ll · 09-25-2009, 03:30 PM

Well, you basically said anything I say shouldn't be valid because I'm plugging into a SS.

"No offense, man, but you shouldn't really be tone policing on compression and reverb when you're plugging into an AVT50 head."

That being said I'm sorry I find plugging into a full stack silly unless you really use the amp at a full volume setting. Not just using the amp because you hear people hound over it.

It's all good though, just trying to have a debate.

Frankie · 09-25-2009, 03:43 PM

And I was dead serious. Tubes overdriven into compression/saturation sound delicious, which you just physically can't get without tubes in the amp. To me (and most if you look at the popular consensus), transistor amps sound lifeless and flat.

Compression is part of what cuts your leads through the mix, makes you stand out, and is also what can keep you from burying other instruments when it's not your time to shine. That's why tracks get compressed in the studio, it keeps them separate and tight. I don't know if you've ever done any mixing, but an uncompressed multitrack sounds pretty bad most of the time, especially on new, solid state, digital recording gear.

Reverb is also another great tool to use when trying to get out in front of the mix or add a little complexity to your sound. You might not like it, but it far from sucks. It's another very common thing to add in the studio, and people have been using it for how long?

As far as playing Marshalls, is there any other way than to play them but at high volume? That's what they were made to do! You mention a stack and then mention it not being cranked, and I agree--what's the point? They're definitely not bedroom amps.

rockinr0ll · 09-25-2009, 03:53 PM

Thanks for the follow up. I actually have been trying to record and that was the light bulb that struck this thread.

I found that compression on an electric guitar makes it sound flat with no dynamics. Compression is different than overdrive, which I assume you know. I agree that a good reverb can help wonders but are very hard to find. I'm talking about Fender Reverb Twin... amazing!

It is funny how you say tube amps take pedals better, but I agree to a certain extent. The modern digital pedal would be better for SS, but a good overdrive like a DOD 250 works great for the old metal face. I have tried a Boss compression in front of the '72 and that just killed the tone.

I guess what works for one may not work for the other.

Frankie · 09-25-2009, 04:00 PM

There you go, now that you're done thinking I hate you because you have an AVT head. :P

You have to use compression sparingly when tracking, especially on guitar tracks. Depending on the amp you used, the sound you record is probably already pretty compressed, so compressing the amp more on the track will definitely make it dull. What you need to compress are the drums and bass if the bass was DI. Those compressed will actually make your guitar tracks sit better in that mix.

In a live scenario a little compression on the front end will help you from burying your bandmates and get your lead right out in front when needed. I didn't understand the idea of compression before the amp either until I tried it. I'll never take that compressor out of my signal chain now, it's totally invaluable.

And yes, not all reverbs are created equal. My old JCM 800 had reverb, it was decent. The reverb in my AC30 sucked stock, and it's just now passable with a tank replacement. Now, the 'verb in my Super Reverb... sexual. It's downright haunting, and if you set it real high it's like playing in space. It's impossible to beat a good Fender reverb, I swear.

And you're right on the pedals. I'm old school, and have old school amps, so old school, analog pedals work best. Digital stuff sounds too processed and non-organic, but when screwing around with modeling stuff or solid state stuff, digital effects really don't make or break anything. It's really all down to the type of music and style you play. I personally don't like to use anything too complex when it comes to amp circuits, I lose all my dynamics, but I also can't play modern heavy metal or anything out of my amps. It's all a trade off.

rockinr0ll · 09-25-2009, 04:07 PM

Good post, I wish you would of gave me the information right off the bat. I guess it was my fault for the misleading title.

Frankie · 09-25-2009, 04:09 PM

No problem, man. I'm sorry you took my original post as an attack, it wasn't meant that way.

bro blue · 09-25-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

There you go, now that you're done thinking I hate you because you have an AVT head. :P

You have to use compression sparingly when tracking, especially on guitar tracks. Depending on the amp you used, the sound you record is probably already pretty compressed, so compressing the amp more on the track will definitely make it dull. What you need to compress are the drums and bass if the bass was DI. Those compressed will actually make your guitar tracks sit better in that mix.

In a live scenario a little compression on the front end will help you from burying your bandmates and get your lead right out in front when needed. I didn't understand the idea of compression before the amp either until I tried it. I'll never take that compressor out of my signal chain now, it's totally invaluable.

And yes, not all reverbs are created equal. My old JCM 800 had reverb, it was decent. The reverb in my AC30 sucked stock, and it's just now passable with a tank replacement. Now, the 'verb in my Super Reverb... sexual. It's downright haunting, and if you set it real high it's like playing in space. It's impossible to beat a good Fender reverb, I swear.

And you're right on the pedals. I'm old school, and have old school amps, so old school, analog pedals work best. Digital stuff sounds too processed and non-organic, but when screwing around with modeling stuff or solid state stuff, digital effects really don't make or break anything. It's really all down to the type of music and style you play. I personally don't like to use anything too complex when it comes to amp circuits, I lose all my dynamics, but I also can't play modern heavy metal or anything out of my amps. It's all a trade off.

True dat - especially the parts in bold.

Jon Rambo · 09-25-2009, 10:12 PM

On the subject of Reverb, does anyone know how the Holy Grail Reverb might sound with a 2203?
I just love the reverb that comes out of my little tweed Blues Jr and was thinking of adding it to my jcm but I'm not sure how it would sound.

rockinr0ll · 09-25-2009, 10:34 PM

The EH Chorus sounds really lush, but I don't think the reverb is going to sound as good but it depends what you want.

watchtheskies · 09-27-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rockinr0ll

Am I the only one that thinks reverb from a box sounds awful? I love natural reverb from a real room but anything contrived just sounds muddy and dampening. I also hate added compression on electric guitar, why add what is already there in the first place?

firstly if you like a particular real room, you could try matching the sound with a decent reverb unit, if you understand about predelay, early reflections, attack and decay etc, then with a little time you could get it close,

to say you hate compression on electric guitar?, every great guitar sound ever recorded will have some compression I can guarantee it, it's just the difference between good and appropriate compression and bad over limited compression

by definition if the compression is overly noticable to you, then there is too much, or the wrong frequencies are being treated, compression is a whole science in its own right and not limited to some cheap ass pedal with 'compressor' written on it, with a good multi band compressor and crucially some knowledge on how to use it, it can be great addition to a guitar rig

watchtheskies · 09-27-2009, 05:43 PM

if you want to program a reverb that sounds amazing with electric guitar, then you need to create a space between the initial sound of the guitar and the first bounce from the reverb, you can do this by adjusting the pre-delay to a longer time, also i like to soften the attack slightly

another more elaborate effect that works well on guitar is to separate the reverb from the original guitar signal and drive the reverb from a delay to create 'soft delays'

I use a Alesis Quadraverb so this can all be done in one unit but you could use separate delay and reverb units

first set up a delay of around 350milliseconds with a couple of repeats decaying to nothing
use a smallish room reverb with a short decay and rout the output from the delay into the reverb, set the signal/reverb ratio to 50/50

mix this with the original guitar signal, then you will have delays which are made up of delay and reverb 'soft delays'

play around with the delay time and signal/reverb ratio to get it just right for your setup

this gives the guitar space to breathe before the reverb shows up and prevents the muddiness

Frankie · 09-28-2009, 10:43 AM

The Holy Grail sounded pretty good with my amps, but the pedal itself sucked. Noisy as can be when on a board. I personally will not use any EHX pedals anymore.

thelorddread · 09-28-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

The Holy Grail sounded pretty good with my amps, but the pedal itself sucked. Noisy as can be when on a board. I personally will not use any EHX pedals anymore.

yeah i just took the holy grail off my board.
it did sound great but the noise man...killed me.

have you tried those malekko verb pedals?

Frankie · 09-28-2009, 01:45 PM

Nah, I gave up on pedal-based reverb. My Metro is the only amp I have without a tank in it, so screw it. If I need reverb that bad I'll plug into the Fender or the Vox.

gunboatstudio · 09-28-2009, 01:59 PM

Rockinroll- you mentioned that this thread came to you when you were recording... Are you tracking with these boxed-effects (reverb and compression) coming out of your amp? It would be a challenge to get a good sound that way. Or are you adding these effects to the dry track after it has been recorded? It's easier to get a good sound that way.

Jesstaa · 09-28-2009, 02:19 PM

I like real reverb. The reverb you only achieve when you take your Marshall out to the woods and crank it.

Seriously, it sounds awesome.

rockinr0ll · 09-29-2009, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunboatstudio

Rockinroll- you mentioned that this thread came to you when you were recording... Are you tracking with these boxed-effects (reverb and compression) coming out of your amp? It would be a challenge to get a good sound that way. Or are you adding these effects to the dry track after it has been recorded? It's easier to get a good sound that way.

Nope, I just have tried every digital reverb and and compression from a stomp box and wasn't impressed with the results on amps. As far as recording goes I found that for me compression on the guitar and reverb didn't help. Drums sound great with compression though. I think people really misunderstood my OP because I'm starting to see more agreeing statements.

jcmjmp · 09-29-2009, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

No offense, man, but you shouldn't really be tone policing on compression and reverb when you're plugging into an AVT50 head. There's nothing quite like a real, tube-driven spring reverb (a la Fender) when you get down to it, and a solid state power section and mostly solid state preamp isn't even gonna get you close to real, singing compression. On top of that, running a small bit of compression on your input signal is a great way to clean up your sound and get more attack and punch out of your guitar, which ultimately lets your amp do more of what it's supposed to do. Just my 2 cents.

Haha! well put!

I like a touch of reverb but if its not a real spring reverb, i wouldn't bother with getting a pedal to simulate it.

rockinr0ll · 09-29-2009, 09:33 AM

phfttt.

Hollowbody · 10-18-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by watchtheskies

if you want to program a reverb that sounds amazing with electric guitar, then you need to create a space between the initial sound of the guitar and the first bounce from the reverb, you can do this by adjusting the pre-delay to a longer time, also i like to soften the attack slightly

another more elaborate effect that works well on guitar is to separate the reverb from the original guitar signal and drive the reverb from a delay to create 'soft delays'

I use a Alesis Quadraverb so this can all be done in one unit but you could use separate delay and reverb units

first set up a delay of around 350milliseconds with a couple of repeats decaying to nothing
use a smallish room reverb with a short decay and rout the output from the delay into the reverb, set the signal/reverb ratio to 50/50

mix this with the original guitar signal, then you will have delays which are made up of delay and reverb 'soft delays'

play around with the delay time and signal/reverb ratio to get it just right for your setup

this gives the guitar space to breathe before the reverb shows up and prevents the muddiness

Excellent, I do this when I do some vocal mixdowns. Or at least on a return to the cans while tracking.

wkcchampion · 10-19-2009, 04:28 PM

I'll give my 2 cents as well.
Let's start with Reverb: first, do you use it in the amp's FX Loop or input? For the atter, it's pretty non-sense to my ears, especially if you're dialing in some gain - because the Reverb will distort too and won't give you the ambience you're looking for! So, it should be used in the Fx Loop as last effect, imo. I like just a bit of reverb, I agree that too much gets things messy, but hey... it's always a matter of the right quantity, in general (if u eat too much, you'll get fat... ok, very stupid example, but here's the same XD)
Compressor now: it may be tricky to set it up right. Too much? auch your playing dynamics get lost. No comp? Your guitar may get lost in the mix. I like to have a little bit of comp on for solos, but not for cleans, where I prefer to change my dynamics with the pick or fingers. It's also up to personal preference, I think.
But as many say, these two effects are basically and widely used... since they were born! That is, probably since the 60s, dunno exactly. They evolved and improved in the years

***Adwex*** · 10-19-2009, 05:39 PM

I like some compression on my clean sound.

00jett · 10-19-2009, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Let's start with Reverb: first, do you use it in the amp's FX Loop or input? For the atter, it's pretty non-sense to my ears, especially if you're dialing in some gain - because the Reverb will distort too and won't give you the ambience you're looking for! So, it should be used in the Fx Loop as last effect, imo.

+1

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I like some compression on my clean sound.

also +1

Reverb sounds bad to me unless its after the preamp signal. I use a tc electronics unit in my rack and its very easy to dial in just the right amount and not have a mushy mess.

As far as compression goes i just think of Andy Timmons cleans sounds with the lone star amps and the compression pedal he uses. It can add a nice even sounding punch to the front end of an amp thats wonderful.

wkcchampion · 10-20-2009, 03:34 AM

Yes, as I say, I don't like any comp on my clean sound, but that's only my preference. Perhaps my Vox AC30 has already some compression on its own and gets muddy and flat if I give in some more. It just sounds well as it is

But again, different, guitars, players or amps may require or like some comp. The point is to use too much, or it will KILL any dynamics!

09-24-2009, 08:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,340	Reverb/Compression sucks. Am I the only one that thinks reverb from a box sounds awful? I love natural reverb from a real room but anything contrived just sounds muddy and dampening. I also hate added compression on electric guitar, why add what is already there in the first place?

09-25-2009, 03:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. No offense, man, but you shouldn't really be tone policing on compression and reverb when you're plugging into an AVT50 head. There's nothing quite like a real, tube-driven spring reverb (a la Fender) when you get down to it, and a solid state power section and mostly solid state preamp isn't even gonna get you close to real, singing compression. On top of that, running a small bit of compression on your input signal is a great way to clean up your sound and get more attack and punch out of your guitar, which ultimately lets your amp do more of what it's supposed to do. Just my 2 cents. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-25-2009, 03:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. On top of that, what do you think the first two things normally added in the studio are? Give ya two guesses! __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-25-2009, 03:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. LOL, you thinking I only own a AVT I find hilarious, I don't like to brag that I own a '72 Marshall but w/e . Obviously this was a bit of a troll post, but I was hoping someone would give a good defense for them instead of just an attack at me. Relax it's just the internet.

09-25-2009, 03:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. I wasn't attacking at all, man. Seriously though, try some small compression on the input signal, it's amazing what it does. It's like everything else though and needs to be used in moderation. Too much compression can make anything sound unauthentic. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-25-2009, 03:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. Well, you basically said anything I say shouldn't be valid because I'm plugging into a SS. "No offense, man, but you shouldn't really be tone policing on compression and reverb when you're plugging into an AVT50 head." That being said I'm sorry I find plugging into a full stack silly unless you really use the amp at a full volume setting. Not just using the amp because you hear people hound over it. It's all good though, just trying to have a debate.

09-25-2009, 03:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. And I was dead serious. Tubes overdriven into compression/saturation sound delicious, which you just physically can't get without tubes in the amp. To me (and most if you look at the popular consensus), transistor amps sound lifeless and flat. Compression is part of what cuts your leads through the mix, makes you stand out, and is also what can keep you from burying other instruments when it's not your time to shine. That's why tracks get compressed in the studio, it keeps them separate and tight. I don't know if you've ever done any mixing, but an uncompressed multitrack sounds pretty bad most of the time, especially on new, solid state, digital recording gear. Reverb is also another great tool to use when trying to get out in front of the mix or add a little complexity to your sound. You might not like it, but it far from sucks. It's another very common thing to add in the studio, and people have been using it for how long? As far as playing Marshalls, is there any other way than to play them but at high volume? That's what they were made to do! You mention a stack and then mention it not being cranked, and I agree--what's the point? They're definitely not bedroom amps. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-25-2009, 03:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. Thanks for the follow up. I actually have been trying to record and that was the light bulb that struck this thread. I found that compression on an electric guitar makes it sound flat with no dynamics. Compression is different than overdrive, which I assume you know. I agree that a good reverb can help wonders but are very hard to find. I'm talking about Fender Reverb Twin... amazing! It is funny how you say tube amps take pedals better, but I agree to a certain extent. The modern digital pedal would be better for SS, but a good overdrive like a DOD 250 works great for the old metal face. I have tried a Boss compression in front of the '72 and that just killed the tone. I guess what works for one may not work for the other.

09-25-2009, 04:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. There you go, now that you're done thinking I hate you because you have an AVT head. :P You have to use compression sparingly when tracking, especially on guitar tracks. Depending on the amp you used, the sound you record is probably already pretty compressed, so compressing the amp more on the track will definitely make it dull. What you need to compress are the drums and bass if the bass was DI. Those compressed will actually make your guitar tracks sit better in that mix. In a live scenario a little compression on the front end will help you from burying your bandmates and get your lead right out in front when needed. I didn't understand the idea of compression before the amp either until I tried it. I'll never take that compressor out of my signal chain now, it's totally invaluable. And yes, not all reverbs are created equal. My old JCM 800 had reverb, it was decent. The reverb in my AC30 sucked stock, and it's just now passable with a tank replacement. Now, the 'verb in my Super Reverb... sexual. It's downright haunting, and if you set it real high it's like playing in space. It's impossible to beat a good Fender reverb, I swear. And you're right on the pedals. I'm old school, and have old school amps, so old school, analog pedals work best. Digital stuff sounds too processed and non-organic, but when screwing around with modeling stuff or solid state stuff, digital effects really don't make or break anything. It's really all down to the type of music and style you play. I personally don't like to use anything too complex when it comes to amp circuits, I lose all my dynamics, but I also can't play modern heavy metal or anything out of my amps. It's all a trade off. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-25-2009, 04:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. Good post, I wish you would of gave me the information right off the bat. I guess it was my fault for the misleading title.

09-25-2009, 04:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. No problem, man. I'm sorry you took my original post as an attack, it wasn't meant that way. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-25-2009, 10:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jon Rambo Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 41	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. On the subject of Reverb, does anyone know how the Holy Grail Reverb might sound with a 2203? I just love the reverb that comes out of my little tweed Blues Jr and was thinking of adding it to my jcm but I'm not sure how it would sound.

09-25-2009, 10:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. The EH Chorus sounds really lush, but I don't think the reverb is going to sound as good but it depends what you want.

09-27-2009, 05:43 PM	#17 (permalink)
watchtheskies Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: England Posts: 117	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. if you want to program a reverb that sounds amazing with electric guitar, then you need to create a space between the initial sound of the guitar and the first bounce from the reverb, you can do this by adjusting the pre-delay to a longer time, also i like to soften the attack slightly another more elaborate effect that works well on guitar is to separate the reverb from the original guitar signal and drive the reverb from a delay to create 'soft delays' I use a Alesis Quadraverb so this can all be done in one unit but you could use separate delay and reverb units first set up a delay of around 350milliseconds with a couple of repeats decaying to nothing use a smallish room reverb with a short decay and rout the output from the delay into the reverb, set the signal/reverb ratio to 50/50 mix this with the original guitar signal, then you will have delays which are made up of delay and reverb 'soft delays' play around with the delay time and signal/reverb ratio to get it just right for your setup this gives the guitar space to breathe before the reverb shows up and prevents the muddiness

09-28-2009, 10:43 AM	#18 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. The Holy Grail sounded pretty good with my amps, but the pedal itself sucked. Noisy as can be when on a board. I personally will not use any EHX pedals anymore. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-28-2009, 02:19 PM	#22 (permalink)
Jesstaa Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Gippsland, Vic, Australia. Posts: 797	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. I like real reverb. The reverb you only achieve when you take your Marshall out to the woods and crank it. Seriously, it sounds awesome. __________________ GEAR LIST Marshall JCM900 4100 (6L6) (1995) Marshall Valvestate 1965A cab (????) Cort VX-2V (2008) TUBES/SPEAKERS Power: Groove Tube 6L6GCB Phase Inverter: Sovtek 7025 Pre: V1 - N.O.S Mullard ECC83. V2 National 12AX7A Speakers: Celestion G10L-35 Marshall forever My tube amp & Real Music appreciation forum

09-28-2009, 01:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
Frankie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 362	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. Nah, I gave up on pedal-based reverb. My Metro is the only amp I have without a tank in it, so screw it. If I need reverb that bad I'll plug into the Fender or the Vox. __________________ w w w . c o w b o y m a f i a . n e t Myspace.com \| YouTube \| Facebook

09-28-2009, 01:59 PM	#21 (permalink)
gunboatstudio Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 59	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. Rockinroll- you mentioned that this thread came to you when you were recording... Are you tracking with these boxed-effects (reverb and compression) coming out of your amp? It would be a challenge to get a good sound that way. Or are you adding these effects to the dry track after it has been recorded? It's easier to get a good sound that way.

09-29-2009, 09:33 AM	#25 (permalink)
rockinr0ll Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. phfttt.

10-19-2009, 04:28 PM	#27 (permalink)
wkcchampion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 144	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. I'll give my 2 cents as well. Let's start with Reverb: first, do you use it in the amp's FX Loop or input? For the atter, it's pretty non-sense to my ears, especially if you're dialing in some gain - because the Reverb will distort too and won't give you the ambience you're looking for! So, it should be used in the Fx Loop as last effect, imo. I like just a bit of reverb, I agree that too much gets things messy, but hey... it's always a matter of the right quantity, in general (if u eat too much, you'll get fat... ok, very stupid example, but here's the same XD) Compressor now: it may be tricky to set it up right. Too much? auch your playing dynamics get lost. No comp? Your guitar may get lost in the mix. I like to have a little bit of comp on for solos, but not for cleans, where I prefer to change my dynamics with the pick or fingers. It's also up to personal preference, I think. But as many say, these two effects are basically and widely used... since they were born! That is, probably since the 60s, dunno exactly. They evolved and improved in the years

10-19-2009, 05:39 PM	#28 (permalink)
*Adwex* Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,631	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. I like some compression on my clean sound. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/MarshallLesPaul

10-20-2009, 03:34 AM	#30 (permalink)
wkcchampion Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 144	Re: Reverb/Compression sucks. Yes, as I say, I don't like any comp on my clean sound, but that's only my preference. Perhaps my Vox AC30 has already some compression on its own and gets muddy and flat if I give in some more. It just sounds well as it is But again, different, guitars, players or amps may require or like some comp. The point is to use too much, or it will KILL any dynamics!

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