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Alright guys. I'm starting this thread so those that do boost their Marshall's have a place to discuss it specifically. We have arrived at the point here where we have decided to do it. Lets enjoy talking about it.
Lets talk about what overdrive/clean boost/treble booster pedals we like on what channel of our Marshall's and make recommendations based on having actually played the pedal with our amps. I like to include prices of the pedals so those who are interested will know how much a pedal may cost them. Lets not add distortion, wah or time based pedals here. There are other threads for that. I've got a few of my own to talk about but I'm only doing one at a time. I want to hear about yours. I'm going to start with one of my pedals which happens to be a treble booster. Its called the HomeBrew Germania. It cost me about a $108 from an online store if I remember right. Its not the OC44 model. So far I have been using it on Lead 1 & 2 on my DSL. I have the pedal set on Lo Fi with the pedal gain set at 3 o'clock. The 3D toggle is to the left. I put the amps gain any where from 3 to 7 on the knob. Eq amp to taste. Volume wherever. It makes the Marshall's red channel rip. It does color the saturation with mids but in a very good way. It makes it much more aggressive and is a great pedal to add punch and a cutting saturation that to my ears, is not harsh. It cleans up well with guitar volume. You have to be careful with how you set the pedal cause it can overwhelm on its other settings. I always start out with a little boost and then go from there. I use my HH GT Tele with it. I love how it raunches up my aggressive blues playing. I'm glad I bought it. This is my Raunch & Roll pedal so it only covers a specific niche in my playing. I found the link on it so you can see what it looks like: Homebrew Germania Treble Booster Pedal:Guitars, Pedals Amps Effects
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Boosts are essential to my rig since keeping the gain down is key to nicely articulated, distorted chords.
I was using a Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive ($129 new). Pretty sure it's a TS808 clone. This pedal is nice because it also has a "clean" blend knob which (you guessed it) blends the pedal tone with the non-effected clean tone. You can crank the clean and use it as a straight up volume boost too. Well, the SD works great for boosting cleans/mildly distorted amps, but when I needed that extra sustain and body for heavily distorted solos it just wasn't cutting it. There wasn't enough "oomph." Now I'm using a BOSS GE-7 (boosting mids and gain ever so slightly) as a solo booster. The EQ works great! Each channel gets an even (or proportional is one channel is set louder than the other) boost and a bit more bite+gain. The SD is left "on" at all times these days (in place of the formerly "always on" EQ). Ideally, I'll get another EQ (MXR 10-band?) to leave permanently "on" as well. Then the rig should have versatility to the max! Finally, I also use a chorus pedal if in need of "one more notch" of lead power. So yeah, in all, EQ pedals are great boosters! A nice feature is that you can really dial in those frequencies you want for "your" solo tone. Also, you could attenuate frequencies (for your rhythm tone) and turn it OFF for solos (restoring the full frequency spectrum).
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Besides, threads like this can help others purchase the right one for them by narrowing down the search. Course it might give pedal gas too he he. No, not here. Lot of the guys here emphasize how they are able to get plenty of amp saturation and don't need pedals. That's cool. This threads about using them and getting different kinds of saturation. More gain isn't the goal alot of the time. Textures are. When I was gigging I used an EQ pedal in the loop as a boost for solos too. Great way to get it out there and be able to adjust frequencies cause dat tone changes with more volume. I've used eq's in the front too to get more tailored saturation. I don't anymore cause I have other pedals I like better and are good as is. My Marshall's loop is having issues so I'll figure something else out. I can get FJA to put a foot switchable boost on it. Getting that solo out in a band mix is crucial to "my" enjoyment. Who wants to rely on the sound guy to get it right. I use to love when the band was at practice and I'd step on the EQ pedal for boost, I would have it bumped way up. I'm laughing thinking about the looks on their faces. Usually stopped the song dead in its tracks when I unleashed the monster solo. It was painful! Anyways...I have more pedals to tell about but I'll do it later. Great to hear from you guys.
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great topic by the way !!
ok ! i had a DOD "juice box" overdrive pedal , as you guys all know that i do pedal mods etc etc , i made 3 changes inside this unit and BANG !! it's the best sounding overdrive pedal i have ever heard !! yes , i know !! its a DOD fx 51 'JUICE BOX" i have modded many tube screamer clones as well as all the usual suspects , and i was blown away with the warmth , clarity , and the real tube like tone that came out of this box . yes , again dod fx51"juice box " so i took it to my pal at my local music store to have him try it out (big mistake!) they too were blown away at the tone of this almost unknown pedal etc. after it was all said and done , it found a new home this afternoon , one of the other guys that works there opened his wallet and paid me on the spot , it was that good , he was going to pick up an OCD today after work , so we tryed the two out side by side , the juice box had a fuller, tighter sound and it also worked well with many amps , even better than the OCD . i have modded alot of good sounding units , but there is just something about this juice box that just works better than alot of others , and to make matters worse i cant find a schematic anywhere .......piss me off !!!!
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repeating the mod ? thats no trouble it was only 3 changes inside the pedal , but trying
to find another one down the road may be a problem , i have never seen another one around here , i got rid of it cause i needed the cash and i got paid well for it to boot !! but it was an incedible sounding pedal , the funny thing is that when i was inside the pedal had a look at the components and it had cheap generic op-amps , but good metal film caps , most cheap mass production line pedals are cheap from start to finish . some say it is the early " BAD MONKEY" with the DOD badge , but somehow i don't buy that , but it may be true ..............
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I use the good old EH LPB-1 cranked the whole way up. It doesn't color the tone from my guitar and isn't noisy. I also use a MXR 10 Band EQ in the FX loop but I don't boost the gain or volume, just use it to shape my tone a bit.
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My BBE Boosta Grande ,to my ears, brings in more lows as its turned up. Really notice it when pushing and already overdriven amp. Its not as neutral but still sounds decent. Lately I'm using it alot less due to other pedals I Like.
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Well, for starters, the overdrive that I use is just a standard Ibanez TS-9 with the drive at about 9'o clock the level about 3 and the tone around 11, this way it serves as a boost but gives a little more clarity to my tone...and I use it on the clean channel to drive some blues riffs.. but if I'm on my clean channel and playing my strats i need some boost for the volume...and i use the mxr MC-401 clean boost..its completely transparent so it does not effect your tone at all..you can put it in front of the amp and drive the preamps with it or like me put it through the loop and get nothing but boost..thats my boost/overdrive 2 cents..haha and you can get both of those pedals for about 100 bucks a piece from any online store.
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I play Strat using a DSL 50 head going through a Mesa cab. I like the "boom" I get from the clean channel (the dirty channel is too thin/fizzy for the way I play).
I boost the clean channel using an MI Audio Tube Zone (Australian made). I set the peddle at unity with the amp volume and then nudge the gain. It's a powerful pedal but nicely transparent. The other way I boost the amp is using a Boss GE7. I use a slight "downward frown" to get the mids up a bit. Both ways work great.
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I used an Ibanez tube screamer for years just for distortion. A guy in a really good local band gave it to me. I liked the smooth sound but was missing out on my Marshall's ability to serve up some mean grind like I had before I got the Tube screamer. Then one day I finally decided to back off the "drive" on the pedal to about 9 'oclock and kicked in my lead gain channel on the amp and THERE IT WAS! I discovered the value of a boost pedal.
I did that for a while then years later my friend brought an Xotic RC boost over to my practice room. What an excellent pedal, It had active treble and bass controls that were very musical (if that makes sense) and it was very clean. I could dial in more or less of either depending on the amp or room I was in. It really complimented my gtr/amp combination. I messed around with it for a while but never shelled out the cash for my own. I regretted that for a year or so and finally decided to research a little and see what else was out there. I got a hold of a zvex sho. It has only one knob for volume boost but it seemed to highlight the good harmonic overtones, like there was less cable between my guitar and amp, it was so cool I bought one and still use it. But it stays on all the time, not for boost but just because I love the sound and the affect it has on my playing. I then sold my tube screamer. It's a classic but it was time to try new things. So since that one stays on all the time I still decided to get another different pedal to actually boost during solos or special parts. I thought about using my keeley 4 knob compressor and just kranking the "level" and switching it on for solos because I really don't like the idea of yet another pedal and too much between my amp and guitar. But sometimes I use the keeley to sustain during non-solo parts and sometimes I don't want to have a compressor on every time I want to boost my signal. Yet another excuse for GAS. So, I was going to finally get an RC boost but I went in to a local store and they had a Fulltone Fatboost FB-2. It is similar to the RC except there is a little more dirt when I turn the "drive" level up and it also sounds really cool. It colors my tone a little but in a very good way. Plus it was only $99 plus tax, they go for a little more online. It was on sale, and I think I am finally happy with my rig for a while. ...but for how long? I guess I have had mostly positive experiences with boost pedals. I don't really use them for more distortion, just to change the sound a little and give a kick for solos. Cool thread. |
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Hi!
I've tried a bunch of pedals with my rig, some of them are: A landgaf TS-9 clone, Boss SD-1 stock, Boss SD-1 modded, Boss GE-7 stock, Boss GE-7 modded, I've also tried using compressors as boosters. But somehow I was never satisfied. so, a couple of weeks ago I found, here in sweden, The first version of Visual Sounds Jekyll & Hyde. Now I'm using the Jekyll side of the pedal for leadboosts and it rips! I would never sell or replace this pedal unless it broke down on me. What does it sound like? well, It sounds like the best motherfucking Tubescreamer ever. It's a real warm organic sound, with great clarity. The best thing ever! NOTE: I don't know if the new ones are as good, haven't tried them. I also do not know what price you would have to pay for version 1. |
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Anyone ever used the MXR Micro Amp as a booster? Seems to do the trick in theory. I'm gassing for the 10-band EQ to have on at all times to tweak my tone. It's so close...but as they say, you never catch the dragon.
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Well I've been playing with the Danelectro CTO-1 for awhile now and I have to say for any price it is a good solid pedal. For $40 its a steal! Its called the Transparent Overdrive and it pretty much is just that. It Will hold its own against spendier pedals. I paired it up with the Marshall on the red channel either lead voices and it adds body and brings out more harmonics with nice controllable feed back. It tightens gain up a bit but doesn't render it sterile like some pedals will do. So it adds more punch overall without hurting the Marshall's character. Overtones galore and controllable too. Works as just a clean boost as well. To me it doesn't sterilize the clean channel either. It isn't a high gain pedal but it isn't meant to be. It takes what your amps given and with slight adjustments to the pedal adds punch with clarity. Overtones bloom into nice harmonics when fingering chords or soloing. It seems to fit the Night Train very well. That amp is finicky with all my other pedals. It didn't jive with the saturation or coloring with them. Originally I bought the CTO-1 for the Marshall but it has been in front of the NT most of the time. Again here it adds punch with clarity. Gives the overdrive settings on the amp some nice bite. Clears up the thick voicing on the NT and it just sounds better for a raunchier, punchier, and more biting tone. Cleans up naturally with guitar volume. True bypass with no pop when turning on and off. No midhump to its character. Very nice overdrive pedal at a steal of a price for what you get. Its replaced my beloved Bad Monkey for all duties. Maybe a couple of the others too but don't tell them...
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Anybody here run an OCD on the crunch channel of a DSL?
I've got 3 more pedals I want to try mainly just on the crunch channel: 1. OCD 2.Barber LTD 3.Barber DD
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Maybe it will come in handy as a backup or use in series with another one for a cool overdrive sound experiment. I could put an mxr eq between them. Or maybe a Barber Tone press between them and natural amp dist in paralell. Oh my god I have issues. I recently put a Dr. Z Carmen Ghia on layaway to be a class "A" / stereo rig companion with my Jubilee. And now I am going to buy a Danelectro TO? Well I guess it is better than some compulsive issues. |
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At least use it in front of your amp once without the other ones just to see.Its not much of a risk money wise either. Hope you get one so we can compare notes he he.
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Ok. Moving on to the HT Dual pedal by Blackstar.
1. 2 channel pedal with a crunch button on the green channel offering 3 voicings altogether. 2. 12Ax7 in the circuit 3. Can use as a clean boost via the green channel. 4. Crunch is excellent. 5. Silent switching. Buffered by-pass. 6. ISF control adjusts from a Marshall like gain to an American voiced gain. I like using the crunch voicing on the pedal to push the crunch channel on the DSL with it. Nice blues/rock/hard rock tones. Using the clean on the pedal with gain and volume maxed boosting the amp's crunch channel renders some nice bluesy rock tones. Its got a very articulate gain to it which really sounds good when soloing. You can roll 12AX7's in it if you are in to that. Mullard RI sounds good in it. So did some of my NOS tubes. It comes with a Sovtec WA. Shit tubes. Really durable but sonically sterile compared to others. There are a couple of things I don't like about the pedal. Channel 2, the red channel, is woofy as hell and on milder settings dull compared to the crunch green channel which really is terrific. The crunch just shows the red channel up in many ways. The other thing is it is expensive at $200 especially when for me I don't even use the red channel on it due to how it sounds with the DSL. Its also a BIG pedal.
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the edge would have to go the barber dd , better tone imo , but ocd had a little more gain on tap , but also very useable . ran them into my 6100 on the crunch channel ...
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I'm glad you put it that way. I don't need more gain so I would go for the more toneful gain. Thanks HT. I saw a vid of the Visual Sound V2 Route 808 and it sounded good. Was thinking maybe for the Night Train. Heard anything?
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I can't listen to the clip at work, but it's labeled as an "overdrive" and has separate drive and volume boost controls. Not really a "clean" boost, right? Then again so does a TS and we're talking about those here too.
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