Dedicated overdrive/clean boost your Marshall thread.

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

A- never even heard of this pedal builder before or the pedal itself
B- it will be a rip off of an already in use circuit from other manufactures.
c- IMO ..it sounded ok at best ..( blues is a great player , make no mistake ! )
D- COST 525$ - give me a fuckin break !, you can buy a used marshall head for that .


i wish all these pedal building outfits would stop trying to reinvent the wheel !!
i have done many pedal shootouts over the last year or so , and it seems to me that
alot of cheaper pedals (non boutique) sound just as good or better than alot of these
units costing 250$ to 500$ plus range . and i would not come on this fine forum to state
my case without doing my home work , as many on this forum know i mod pedals as a
small side business etc . i have many friends that work at music stores etc. so i get to
try out many different pedals , and play test all of them ..........there is a few that stand out in the "boutique" arena that i do like .

overated like alot of them , but to be fair , i have not played thru one of these units . what you hear on the video maybe vastly different in person playing it yourself..

Talk about sticker shock...

You should have seen my eyes pop out of my head when I saw the price of it!

I like how he qualifies it by stating its a top seller with "PROFESSIONAL" guitar players and studio guys.

I still luv his playing though but I would have to be out of my mind to pay that for a boost/OD pedal. I do have to say I am not a professional fiddle player or studio guy...

[HOT TUBES 70]

blues is a great player , with out a dout , but whats he getting paid to do this video .
as i said before , i have never even heard of this pedal before .

i guess all i'm saying is that for 500$ , you can do alot to upgrade your tone , without
having to buy another box for the floor etc. , pick ups , tubes , amp mods , you get
the idea ......

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

blues is a great player , with out a dout , but whats he getting paid to do this video .
as i said before , i have never even heard of this pedal before .

i guess all i'm saying is that for 500$ , you can do alot to upgrade your tone , without
having to buy another box for the floor etc. , pick ups , tubes , amp mods , you get
the idea ......

He endorses his Dad's pedal's and they are all very expensive. Too rich for my wallet but a player looking for a niche tone will pay for it especially a pro who is recording or wants "that tone" while performing. Apparently players are buying them...

I on the other hand will continue saving for a JTM45...

I didn't hear anything I really had to have from that pedal in that demo but again I'm not mak'n a living creating and playing music.

[HOT TUBES 70]

his DADs pedals ....wow !! i did not know that.
but my opinion still stands , the video didn't blow me away , and at that price !!!

no dice !!!

now ....a JTM 45 is a classic amp with piles of tone , to me thats a better place to sink
500$ IMO !! dollars for tone = killer choice over a stomp box.......maybe this just my
marshall bias showing here , you'll have to pardon me .....hemm !!!!

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

his DADs pedals ....wow !! i did not know that.
but my opinion still stands , the video didn't blow me away , and at that price !!!

no dice !!!

now ....a JTM 45 is a classic amp with piles of tone , to me thats a better place to sink
500$ IMO !! dollars for tone = killer choice over a stomp box.......maybe this just my
marshall bias showing here , you'll have to pardon me .....hemm !!!!

For realz!

[HOT TUBES 70]

yeah !! i think were on the same page with this one !!

[TubeStack]

I'm totally GASing for a clean boost pedal right now.

I'm so in love with the tone from a Keeley Java Boost (mids-boost position), esp. when my SG's volume is rolled off, to about 5-6, using the neck pup. Really interested in hearing it without the germanium coloration and mids emphasis (although I fucking LOVE it - my total favourite tone right now.)

Got my eyes on a Keeley Katana or a Catalinbread Super Chili Picoso, although the latter doesn't seem to come up to often in the used market.

I've spent enough this month already though, what with a Hot Plate and 2 Greenbacks on the way in the mail.

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by TubeStack

I'm totally GASing for a clean boost pedal right now.

I'm so in love with the tone from a Keeley Java Boost (mids-boost position), esp. when my SG's volume is rolled off, to about 5-6, using the neck pup. Really interested in hearing it without the germanium coloration and mids emphasis (although I fucking LOVE it - my total favourite tone right now.)

Got my eyes on a Keeley Katana or a Catalinbread Super Chili Picoso, although the latter doesn't seem to come up to often in the used market.

I've spent enough this month already though, what with a Hot Plate and 2 Greenbacks on the way in the mail.

You must get the Java boost so you can tell me yeah or nay. I've heard some good clips of it.

I just got done doing a shootout with some OD/boost pedals I have running into my DSL50 using a cheap strat with HSS configuaration. These pedals may offer tonally different results with your set ups. This is just what I've found using what I did. I only went to hardrock territory gain wise. Everything up to that point.

1.Dano's transparent OD-Most open sounding, colorless, dynamic pedal. Great chord definition and presence. Guitar roll off is very good. It just works with both my amps all the time. My fav so far still. I won't play without this one.

2.OCD-Great roll off response from guitar volume. Colors tone much more but will sound good when adjusted right. It is a bit harder to dial in cause of the amount of bass and compression that comes in when gain is added. So with some effort it pays off in the end. I keep gain low anyways. This pedal is over hyped IMO. That being said I have got it to work for a specific sound. I could play without this one on my board. I can get just as good of sounds out of my cheaper pedals. Maybe I'll change my mind down the road with other set ups...

3.Homebrew's Germania(without the OC44 chip)-This pedal will give half cocked wah sounds to nice smooth almost liquidy notes with a bit of sag depending on how you have the pedal set. Definitely colors your tone. Not a bad thing when going for a different OD sound. Great for leads. Worthy pedal. Can get extreme sounds so mess around with the settings until you find the sweet spot. It's there. I could play without this one but I'd rather have it on my board. It luv's the Marshall.

4.Bad Monkey-I still like this pedal with my Marshall. It has a certain built in mellowness or smoothness compared to the others. That can be good or bad but again offers another flavor of OD. It is what it is. I don't want my gains to sound the same with each pedal. I want their inherent character's intact adding a whole other flavor. The BM is offered at a great price and very usable. It isn't as rich sounding while chording or rolling off but when soloing I like it especially on the neck pup. I like what it brings to the table. The Dano is still better priced and the stand out pedal between these 2. I could play without this one.

[HOT TUBES 70]

i have played thru all of these pedals a time or two and you have given a great overview
of these pedals . i would also like to point out that i too thought the OCD was a little on the overhyped side , its good but the dano and the bad monkey are better IMO in other ways .

great review solarburn .

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

i have played thru all of these pedals a time or two and you have given a great overview
of these pedals . i would also like to point out that i too thought the OCD was a little on the overhyped side , its good but the dano and the bad monkey are better IMO in other ways .

great review solarburn .

I hope it made some sense. I seem to go back and forth with the Bad Monkey. It has this rawness as well that I really dig. Like it just wants to rock for you hehe. I think I'll always throw it in there for certain blues/rock stuff I like. Soloing is where I really like it.

[HOT TUBES 70]

i still like my modded SD-1 for kicking my marshalls ass !!
and i have a DS-1 that has been worked over to go into
my clean channel , al-a Satriani style !!!!
other than that , i use the dirt from my 6100 !!

[gtrman]

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

i still like my modded SD-1 for kicking my marshalls ass !!
and i have a DS-1 that has been worked over to go into
my clean channel , al-a Satriani style !!!!
other than that , i use the dirt from my 6100 !!

Yeah ... whenever I use my 6100 I NEVER feel the need to use any pedals.
Plenty of useable dirt on that one !

[HOT TUBES 70]

i only use my SD-1 to boost my light crunch channel , just for a different flavor .
same for the DS-1 into the clean channel , just something different ..
the 6100 is a killer amp all around .

[solarburnDSL50]

Remember guyz this thread is for players that use pedals regardless of what amps and how nice their gain is. No need to qualify or explain needing them here. They aren't considered handicaps. Glad to hear the 6100 doesn't need them.

This is an unadulterated OD/Boost thread. Back to the pedals...

[TubeStack]

Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

You must get the Java boost so you can tell me yeah or nay. I've heard some good clips of it...

Bro, I have the Java Boost and fuckin' LOVE it! It's my all-time favourite pedal right now (see earlier in the thread ).

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by TubeStack

Bro, I have the Java Boost and fuckin' LOVE it! It's my all-time favourite pedal right now (see earlier in the thread ).

Oh shit that's right. I was reading your post wrong thinking it said you wanted to get it. I remember now...

So that one lives up to the tones I heard hehe. I think for us blues, rock players ya just can't have enough OD flavors in the mix/board.

When I get a JTM45(down the road)some of these pedals should stand out even better with it than my DSL.

[HOT TUBES 70]

Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

Remember guyz this thread is for players that use pedals regardless of what amps and how nice their gain is. No need to qualify or explain needing them here. They aren't considered handicaps. Glad to hear the 6100 doesn't need them.

This is an unadulterated OD/Boost thread. Back to the pedals...

yeah we'll try to stay on track , sorry !!
one thing to remember , your amp also has alot to do
with how a o/d boost pedal sounds and reacts etc .
someone should start a thread about that relationship .

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

yeah we'll try to stay on track , sorry !!
one thing to remember , your amp also has alot to do
with how a o/d boost pedal sounds and reacts etc .
someone should start a thread about that relationship .

Interesting point.

I've got to say the DSL luvs a boost!

[D.Dailey]

Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

Interesting point.

I've got to say the DSL luvs a boost!

Mines Got It.
1998 JCM 2000 DSL-100


1960 Classic with Duncan Antiquitys..
No OD Pedal really neaded.
The switching pedal that come with mine works fairly well..
Moderation and Respect for the Tone and Volume pots on the Axe is Recomended...

[solarburnDSL50]

Awesome pics illustrating your point!

[wegman]

I use an old piece of shit DOD FX 50 overdrive / preamp circa like 1982 and I love the thing. I have played alot of other pedals and I always go back to it.

I have not tried the SD-1 though so that is on my list. Maybe that will be my new pedal because my FX 50 is beat.

[D.Dailey]

Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

Awesome pics illustrating your point!

Those were my exact settings when playing out Saturday befor last...
The cops dont usually show up here..
I usually slow things down after 10 PM.
The neibors sometimes call to ask why I quit playing,, or if I would like to bring her down..
I live in the home my parents bought 2-3 years befor I was born.. In 1952
4 of 6 of my neibors have known me sence diapers.
(In a few more years, I am apt to be back there)

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by D.Dailey

Those were my exact settings when playing out Saturday befor last...
The cops dont usually show up here..
I usually slow things down after 10 PM.
The neibors sometimes call to ask why I quit playing,, or if I would like to bring her down..
I live in the home my parents bought 2-3 years befor I was born.. In 1952
4 of 6 of my neibors have known me sence diapers.
(In a few more years, I am apt to be back there)

Hahahaha! I luv it man. Sounds like you got some pretty cool neighbors. Mine actually allow me to crank here and there without consequence...so far hehe. Well my ears blowing out is probably a consequence all things considered.

I have to say I haven't cranked the crunch channel that high yet although we have identical gain settings there. I will have to try this one day just to see(poor ears).

On your red channel is that lead 1 or 2 your play'n on? I can't tell if the button is in or out...I'm think'n lead 1.

What kind of stuff are you guys play'n?

[D.Dailey]

Originally Posted by solarburnDSL50

Hahahaha! I luv it man. Sounds like you got some pretty cool neighbors. Mine actually allow me to crank here and there without consequence...so far hehe. Well my ears blowing out is probably a consequence all things considered.

I have to say I haven't cranked the crunch channel that high yet although we have identical gain settings there. I will have to try this one day just to see(poor ears).

On your red channel is that lead 1 or 2 your play'n on? I can't tell if the button is in or out...I'm think'n lead 1.

What kind of stuff are you guys play'n?

Strait into the front...
Lead 1 on the Ultra Channel / Crunch of the Classic Channel.
Deep's Out - Presence 1.8- Treble 7 - Middle 3 - Bass 4
Grove Tubed and Biased by me,, 6 of 10 Hardness. EL-34's
2x12 V-30's it acts alot like a Twin..
4x12 V-30's,, Mostly Marshall R&R!
When I use a pedel, its usually with another amp...

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by D.Dailey

Strait into the front...
Lead 1 on the Ultra Channel / Crunch of the Classic Channel.
Deep's Out - Presence 1.8- Treble 7 - Middle 3 - Bass 4
Grove Tubed and Biased by me,, 6 of 10 Hardness. EL-34's
2x12 V-30's it acts alot like a Twin..
4x12 V-30's,, Mostly Marshall R&R!
When I use a pedel, its usually with another amp...

I keep my prez real low too, sometimes off. You got your mids low but those V30's cut anyways having the upper mids accentuated as it is. I have a 212 loaded with them. Good ole' R&R speakers. I find my treble good at about 4/5, mids 5/6(toneshift out), bass at 4(boost in)with the tubes I have in it going into greenbacks. Volume around 3 or 4 at home. Usually I boost lead 1 cause I want a bit more punch and body that I don't find using the amps gain. I don't play heavy gained stuff much and I use volume roll off quite a bit. I like dynamics and harmonic overtones coming through intact and prefer R&R anyways.

I love OD's mixed in with the crunch channel. Its like having all the gain channels you want. The limiting factor is how many pedals you have. I don't go crazy on them.:

I do my own toob'n and biasing too. I've got some 6CA7EH's in mine right now that bring a great warmth and fatness to the red channel. Since they have more headroom and don't break up as early they make lead 2 sound great. Separation of notes, more aticulate with clearer definition. Fat but clearer and no flub. Crunch and clean channel sounds awesome too. Really digging these and believe me I have a drawer full of EL34's as well as preamp both NOS and CP.

I have been play'n straight in with these power tubes cause I like the dynamics already there which is pretty rare for me to do unless I hear it or feel something special. Still demoing them though. I want to hit them hard for a month and see how they hold up. Also make sure my imagination isn't work'n overtime hehe. I pretty stay in blues/rock to hardrock territory. Not much higher gain than that for me these days. When I was younger hell yeah hehe. Loved it then.

Crap, I've been long winded again.

You were watching 300 in that pic...

[HOT TUBES 70]

Originally Posted by wegman

I use an old piece of shit DOD FX 50 overdrive / preamp circa like 1982 and I love the thing. I have played alot of other pedals and I always go back to it.

I have not tried the SD-1 though so that is on my list. Maybe that will be my new pedal because my FX 50 is beat.

the BOSS SD-1 really needs to modded to sound good IMO !!
another good one from DOD is the fx-51 " juice box" !!

[wegman]

Originally Posted by HOT TUBES 70

the BOSS SD-1 really needs to modded to sound good IMO !!
another good one from DOD is the fx-51 " juice box" !!

What kind of mod?

[D.Dailey]

Good Call on the movie...
I have some old Phillips 6CA7's here from a Traynor I bought in 1971.
45 Watt Reverb Master...
With an SG , Big Muff, and a decent Cry Baby, I used to pick up military aircraft communications at night.
Ran four 12 inch Utahs in it for a few years,, but was blowing 1-2 a year so I swithced to Greenbacks there myself..
When I got the Marshall,, I went to Vintage 30's..
Did use the one of the Greenbacks in that little Fender Jr for a while..
But with pedals and effects,, went to a V-30 there too...
For a punny 15 watter,, it sort of smoakes.. Nice Blues Tone,, Decent Rock Sound..
Its has sent a few solid state 50's, running home sniffeling..
1972-1973 in my bedroom upstairs,with the Traynor, befor I got married and had to start my own family..

Myself, I never owned a solid state amp, till about 4 years ago when I bought a 30 watt Accostosonic for my Ovation Custom Legend.
It was worth the cost just for the effects.
Plugged into a decent soundboard,, it kicks butt..

[HOT TUBES 70]

its kinda hard to explain , there is various things to change to get a really
good tone from the SD-1 .
i have heard the KEELEY one , sounded pretty good !
the factory SD-1 is kinda lame .....blah ..

[solarburnDSL50]

Originally Posted by D.Dailey

Good Call on the movie...
I have some old Phillips 6CA7's here from a Traynor I bought in 1971.
45 Watt Reverb Master...
With an SG , Big Muff, and a decent Cry Baby, I used to pick up military aircraft communications at night.
Ran four 12 inch Utahs in it for a few years,, but was blowing 1-2 a year so I swithced to Greenbacks there myself..
When I got the Marshall,, I went to Vintage 30's..
Did use the one of the Greenbacks in that little Fender Jr for a while..
But with pedals and effects,, went to a V-30 there too...
For a punny 15 watter,, it sort of smoakes.. Nice Blues Tone,, Decent Rock Sound..
Its has sent a few solid state 50's, running home sniffeling..
1972-1973 in my bedroom upstairs,with the Traynor, befor I got married and had to start my own family..

Myself, I never owned a solid state amp, till about 4 years ago when I bought a 30 watt Accostosonic for my Ovation Custom Legend.
It was worth the cost just for the effects.
Plugged into a decent soundboard,, it kicks butt..

Too funny!

Great pic man. That's R&R!

In 72-73 I was 7 and 8 depending on which yr. I wished I would have started then...

My lil' Night Train is a great blues amp me thinks. Its 15 watts too and plugged into the 412 its pretty loud. Surprised the shit out of me actually. I always boost it(mildly). Its a toy compared to the Marshall though hehe.