Def Leppard. How do I get there? - Page 2

carnada · 08-29-2009, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thrashforlife95

use a chorus and delay and on my tsl 122 i have it on lead gain 10, treble 3, mid 3, bass 8, and that gives me a deacent tone for hair metal

so said the 12 year old kid with the scooped mids.

saventry · 08-29-2009, 07:30 AM

in the early 80s, boss made a rack chours called the super chours. It was dark brown plastic with colored knobs. Remember those (vaguely)? This was the chours that is in the roland jazz chours amp exactly-in stereo. I doubt it was midi. The CE-2 was sky blue, had 2 knobs, and just said "chours". best sounding chours pedal I've found to date. I copped 2 of them at a show about 4-5 yrs ago and they will never be for sale. If you see one, buy it on sight. you won't be sorry.

saventry · 08-29-2009, 07:53 AM

Would not boss be wise to ressiue the CE2? (without cutting corners)

MartyStrat54 · 08-29-2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saventry

in the early 80s, boss made a rack chours called the super chours. It was dark brown plastic with colored knobs. Remember those (vaguely)? This was the chours that is in the roland jazz chours amp exactly-in stereo. I doubt it was midi. The CE-2 was sky blue, had 2 knobs, and just said "chours". best sounding chours pedal I've found to date. I copped 2 of them at a show about 4-5 yrs ago and they will never be for sale. If you see one, buy it on sight. you won't be sorry.

Yeah I have one CE-2 and I would love to get another and run them back to back. That is an awesome sound that almost sounds like a digital delay.

I know a pedal steel player that uses two of them at once and what a cool milky tone he gets.

airborne strat · 09-24-2009, 08:06 PM

OK, here is my opinion...sit down and don't laugh...the Digitech 355. It has a ton of effects/amp/cabinet mods that you can darn near dial in their sound.....just takes some playing around. Music 123 has the best prices on them under $200 and over 135 effects...again just my opinion

MartyStrat54 · 09-24-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MartyStrat54

I have a Boss CE-2 and CE-3 and I love them. I've had the CE-2 for ages and it has the type of chorus that can make an electric almost sound like an amplified acoustic. It is a must for a fat rhythm tone. The CE-3 I picked up on EBAY. It was a smoking deal and it must have a different chip, because it does sound different. It still sounds good, but has its own flavor.

One thing about a TSL is that it has a lot of hook up options. You may have to do as you say and set up one effects loop with a certain FX sound and the lead may need another completely different blend. Of course, this could mean two chorus pedals, two delays and two different types/levels of distortion.

That's why I never sold my RP-12. I bought it (yikes!) in 1999 when I bought my first Marshall DSL401. I programmed a bunch of my own sounds in it and wow, the damn thing was sweet. Here it is ten years old and still works like a champ. In another thread, I stated I did a show with just it. I plugged my guitar into it and sent the signal to the main board. Didn't even need an amp or cab. Ran a mix into the vocal monitor and rocked away. (It was a very small stage and I tried to save space for the drum kit.)

Anyway, I know you don't want to hear this, but you might have to get an FX unit to bang out the DL like you are trying to obtain. The good thing is these multi-effects units have actually gone down in price. My DigiTech RP-12 cost about as much in 1999 as a new RP1000 ($499). Of course the 1000 smokes my RP-12 as it should. However, you can get an RP-355 for $200 and it has a boat load of effects/amp modeling. The RP-155 is $100 and it has 100 programmable presets and 83 amp, cabinet and stompbox effects.

If you can't get the DL sound with what you have, then you are going to have to get some more FX equipment.

I already brought up the 355 on page one. Did you not see it?

airborne strat · 09-25-2009, 11:39 PM

Sorry Marty...I didn't read all the posts...nice rig you got there!

MartyStrat54 · 09-26-2009, 03:06 PM

That's cool. I figured you must not have seen it. I did think it was interesting that you brought up the same piece of gear as I did. Maybe I'll upgrade to a new DigiTech. They have some really nice FX units.

SteveClark · 10-16-2009, 07:08 AM

just a thought but,

I use personally a visual sound H2O V2 chorus/delay pedal, and the distortion channel on my amp ( a Vintage Modern 100 watt head through the VM cab)
though the distortion is NOT heavy by any means it is just barely enough to feedback when the effects are on.

let me know if you need any more info, I do know the actual gear and all that the band used on their hysteria tour, I DO have model numbers.
they are as follows...

Both Phil and Steve used
*Randall RG100 pre-amps
*T.C. 1210 by TC electronics ( this is an effects processor containing
| Expander + Stereo Chorus/Flanger | )
*T.C. 2290 ( | Digital Delay | )

But that is Live Performance

The studio work was done on Rockman amps
(Made By Scholtz Research and Development)
a side project of Tom Scholtz's ( yes from Boston, the band)
it had built in effects for compression, distortion, stereo chorus, and echo (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH DELAY THEY ARE DIFFERENT) not yelling, just wanted to be sure it was clear : )
The Rockman lacks tone controls, however tone can be adjusted in other ways: via the guitar, the mixing board or the amplifier (if the Rockman is being used as a pre-amp as Phil and Steve did when in the studio).
heres a familiar site that carries the current version

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/p...Amp?sku=180253
It doesnt have the effects built in except for compression it has that, BUT it can be used as a pre-amp like the old ones.

( I'm kind of a Leppard NUT in case you couldn't tell.)

-Alex

mxbykr99 · 01-14-2010, 11:17 AM

Marshall just came out with the JMD:1 series of amps. It has a few jmp 1 tones in it and it sounds very similar to the new Def Leppard sound. Heres the link Marshall Amps :: JMD1 Series

wylde1 · 01-14-2010, 03:48 PM

I was gonna say get your drummer in a car accident.... but that seems.... less helpful than the other things suggested

Blade Guitars · 03-19-2010, 07:30 PM

Hi!
I just love Def Leppard tone so I bought a jmp1 a old fifty fity mesa power amp a legacy with vintage30 and a Tc for chorus, reverb and delay and voilá!! Def Leppard Tone wherever and whenever I want!! I know you have to carry a whole ten space rack but when you plug it worth every stair!!!

Joey Voltage · 03-19-2010, 08:04 PM

Holy Crap! you have opened a can of worms with this one. The easiest answer is give up!, and settle for something similar. you can get a pretty similar sound with what was mentioned, and even when you see live footage like in your face in the round, they can't even reproduce it! The basics are a smoother mid heavy overdrive, slight multi-delays (more than one with different time increments), chorus, and reverb.

I remember being like 15yrs old and almost on the verge of tears because I could never get that clean, smooth howling lead tone phil did on Hysteria, "women" in particular. When I got older I realized how much of it was truly 5-10 layer studio sheen, huge gated everything, super processed, etc...with really good production... Hysteria is almost the definition of over-produced.

IIRC in the studio Phil in particular used Rockman stuff, Randall RG-80 with scorpion speaker, a fuzz pedal Brian may built (probably insignificant), and a truck load of other top of the line SS and digital Rack gear. Live he used a randall Century head, and probably the same crazy amount of rack gear.

I have to believe that Steve also used a lot of this stuff as well, but rumor has it that he also used the same JCM800 setup he had used on previous albums as well. Live it has been said that he wouldn't part with the 800 setup (he often boosted the input with a Morley preamp booster), and you can kinda hear it on In the round in your face. Steve's tone sounds a LOT better than phils does on that video... slightly more organic, but not much.

Vivian Campbell is a Soldano nut, frequently uses them live. He apparently turned Phil on to them as well. One of the newer albums was recorded using Soldano's pretty heavily. I remember reading an article on how he hated all the solid state stuff phil made him play through on tour, and refused to use it mid way through insisting he use his SLO, and I guess phl was impressed by it (SLO)

All this being said, I think now I have to say my altime favorite tone they had was on high & dry... just a good overdriven marshall sound, nothing fancy, but really good.

MartyStrat54 · 03-19-2010, 09:27 PM

Wow this is a really old thread. The guy who started it was one of my best forum buddies. Great rundown on PHIL. Yeah, I'm older than you and it was during the making of the Mutt Lange produced High and Dry that Def Leppard went the route of high techno rack gear. When Rick Allen lost his arm in his Corvette accident, the over produced sound went into overdrive. While I say they did a good job with a one-arm drummer, it was a whole different sound than High and Dry. I mean triggered drum sounds are a lot different than a drummer working a snare and a high hat.

I would say you would need at least three digital delays or and RP1000 programed for multiple delay layers. Then a chorus effect and then various programed distortion.

I have already answered on this thread and suggest the RP1000 and possibly a DSL amp.

jcmjmp · 03-19-2010, 09:34 PM

The best leppard tone is on Pyromania. For anything after that, you'll need a wet/dry/wet rig.

MartyStrat54 · 03-19-2010, 09:56 PM

Finally, a true purpose for a wet/dry/wet rig. Of course the "wet" is really wet.

08-29-2009, 07:30 AM	#32 (permalink)
saventry Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? in the early 80s, boss made a rack chours called the super chours. It was dark brown plastic with colored knobs. Remember those (vaguely)? This was the chours that is in the roland jazz chours amp exactly-in stereo. I doubt it was midi. The CE-2 was sky blue, had 2 knobs, and just said "chours". best sounding chours pedal I've found to date. I copped 2 of them at a show about 4-5 yrs ago and they will never be for sale. If you see one, buy it on sight. you won't be sorry.

08-29-2009, 07:53 AM	#33 (permalink)
saventry Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? Would not boss be wise to ressiue the CE2? (without cutting corners)

09-24-2009, 08:06 PM	#35 (permalink)
airborne strat Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: FT Benning GA Posts: 28	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? OK, here is my opinion...sit down and don't laugh...the Digitech 355. It has a ton of effects/amp/cabinet mods that you can darn near dial in their sound.....just takes some playing around. Music 123 has the best prices on them under $200 and over 135 effects...again just my opinion

09-25-2009, 11:39 PM	#37 (permalink)
airborne strat Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: FT Benning GA Posts: 28	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? Sorry Marty...I didn't read all the posts...nice rig you got there!

10-16-2009, 07:08 AM	#39 (permalink)
SteveClark Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? just a thought but, I use personally a visual sound H2O V2 chorus/delay pedal, and the distortion channel on my amp ( a Vintage Modern 100 watt head through the VM cab) though the distortion is NOT heavy by any means it is just barely enough to feedback when the effects are on. let me know if you need any more info, I do know the actual gear and all that the band used on their hysteria tour, I DO have model numbers. they are as follows... Both Phil and Steve used Randall RG100 pre-amps T.C. 1210 by TC electronics ( this is an effects processor containing \| Expander + Stereo Chorus/Flanger \| ) T.C. 2290 ( \| Digital Delay \| ) But that is Live Performance The studio work was done on Rockman amps (Made By Scholtz Research and Development) a side project of Tom Scholtz's ( yes from Boston, the band) it had built in effects for compression, distortion, stereo chorus, and echo (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH DELAY THEY ARE DIFFERENT) not yelling, just wanted to be sure it was clear : ) The Rockman lacks tone controls, however tone can be adjusted in other ways: via the guitar, the mixing board or the amplifier (if the Rockman is being used as a pre-amp as Phil and Steve did when in the studio). heres a familiar site that carries the current version http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/p...Amp?sku=180253 It doesnt have the effects built in except for compression it has that, BUT it can be used as a pre-amp like the old ones. ( I'm kind of a Leppard NUT in case you couldn't tell.) -Alex Last edited by SteveClark; 10-16-2009 at 11:24 AM.*

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01-14-2010, 11:17 AM	#40 (permalink)
mxbykr99 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? Marshall just came out with the JMD:1 series of amps. It has a few jmp 1 tones in it and it sounds very similar to the new Def Leppard sound. Heres the link Marshall Amps :: JMD1 Series

01-14-2010, 03:48 PM	#41 (permalink)
wylde1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 134	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? I was gonna say get your drummer in a car accident.... but that seems.... less helpful than the other things suggested __________________ JCM 900 4100 model ENGL XXL Pro 4x12 MXR M-108 10 band EQ Epi Les Paul - EMG 81, 85 Fender Strat Custom - Project ongoing www.myspace.com/harmfuleffects If you havn't recorded on a Korg 4-track, you are not a band.

03-19-2010, 07:30 PM	#42 (permalink)
Blade Guitars Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Portugal Posts: 16	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? Hi! I just love Def Leppard tone so I bought a jmp1 a old fifty fity mesa power amp a legacy with vintage30 and a Tc for chorus, reverb and delay and voilá!! Def Leppard Tone wherever and whenever I want!! I know you have to carry a whole ten space rack but when you plug it worth every stair!!!

03-19-2010, 08:04 PM	#43 (permalink)
Joey Voltage Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Allston, MA Posts: 339	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? Holy Crap! you have opened a can of worms with this one. The easiest answer is give up!, and settle for something similar. you can get a pretty similar sound with what was mentioned, and even when you see live footage like in your face in the round, they can't even reproduce it! The basics are a smoother mid heavy overdrive, slight multi-delays (more than one with different time increments), chorus, and reverb. I remember being like 15yrs old and almost on the verge of tears because I could never get that clean, smooth howling lead tone phil did on Hysteria, "women" in particular. When I got older I realized how much of it was truly 5-10 layer studio sheen, huge gated everything, super processed, etc...with really good production... Hysteria is almost the definition of over-produced. IIRC in the studio Phil in particular used Rockman stuff, Randall RG-80 with scorpion speaker, a fuzz pedal Brian may built (probably insignificant), and a truck load of other top of the line SS and digital Rack gear. Live he used a randall Century head, and probably the same crazy amount of rack gear. I have to believe that Steve also used a lot of this stuff as well, but rumor has it that he also used the same JCM800 setup he had used on previous albums as well. Live it has been said that he wouldn't part with the 800 setup (he often boosted the input with a Morley preamp booster), and you can kinda hear it on In the round in your face. Steve's tone sounds a LOT better than phils does on that video... slightly more organic, but not much. Vivian Campbell is a Soldano nut, frequently uses them live. He apparently turned Phil on to them as well. One of the newer albums was recorded using Soldano's pretty heavily. I remember reading an article on how he hated all the solid state stuff phil made him play through on tour, and refused to use it mid way through insisting he use his SLO, and I guess phl was impressed by it (SLO) All this being said, I think now I have to say my altime favorite tone they had was on high & dry... just a good overdriven marshall sound, nothing fancy, but really good.

03-19-2010, 09:34 PM	#45 (permalink)
jcmjmp Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,725	Re: Def Leppard. How do I get there? The best leppard tone is on Pyromania. For anything after that, you'll need a wet/dry/wet rig. __________________ Marshalls: 1983 JCM 800 2204, 1987 2550 Silver Jubilee, 1993 JMP-1, 1997 JCM2000 DSL50 Marshall Cabs: JCM800 1960a G12-65s, JCM800 1960a G12T-75/Century, JCM900 1960a G12M-25/G12H-30 70th, JCM900 1960a Cab with Marshall G12-Vintage speakers Other: 2008 2550x Marshall Silver Jubilee SDM Layout, 2009 Union Jack JTM45, 2008 Vox AC30CC 2x12 combo, ADA MP-1, 2x12 2550x Cab with Vintage 30s

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