The Brown sound is FINALLY HERE

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  1. wkcchampion

    wkcchampion New Member

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    Exactly. Hear this excerpt from "Runnin' from the devil" I personally recorded:

    http://pregnosplatter.altervista.org/Jcm800/Eldy 1959 nailed brown sound.mp3
    (click on QUI if Altervista shows up)

    Very close uh?
    Well, there's nothing weird or odd I used. No NOS or exotic valves, no VariAC, no modded amp, no pedals.... nothing.
    Just:
    - Eldy with the bridge pickup
    - the SuperLead (which is stock and hass TungSol 12AX7 and JJ EL34 valves) with the following settings:
    Presence 9, Bass 0, Mid 9, Treble 9, Channel I volume 9 (Channel II disconnected/not used)
    - the Palmer and some reverb/echo in the DAW. I also touched the EQ a bit (500 Hz -1dB, 3kHz + 2 dB).

    Therefore, guys... don't believe the hype you read on the internet.
    You need no exotic valves or strange mods or those fu***in VariAC (that are dangerous!) to get Eddie's sound.
    Just practice hard. Then, get a Fly Deluxe or a bright sounding guitar with humbuckers (poplar or similar wood) and an old 1959 SuperLead or a new boutique clone, and CRANK IT. You'll get it, I promise.

    Ah yes, regarding the cab... if u want to use a cab, I'm afraid u need Pre-Rola G12Ms or clones (like Scumback), and I believe that he mixed them with JBL 120s. At least my pro audio engineers friends suspect that. But you'll get very close with just PreRola G12Ms (or clones), trust me.
     
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    wkcchampion New Member

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    And now I'm really not surprised at all why Eddie liked playing a Fly!
    Just instant brown sound

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    solarburnDSL50 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds great man. Luv the SL!
     
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    wkcchampion New Member

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    Thanks Joe ;)
     
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    Gtarzan81 Well-Known Member

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    Nailed it sir!
     
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    wkcchampion New Member

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    Thank you :h5:
     
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    customwhite Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that's the tone, good job wkc :)
     
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    wkcchampion New Member

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    Thanks.. but really, it's not difficult at all.
    I think that people who try to get Eddie's sound concentrate too much on ... aforementioned hype. Exotic valves, mods, VariAC and so on.

    Just crank a Plexi and you're almost there. With PreRolas closer. With Prerolas and JBL K120 just a hair there.

    Ah yes, add plenty of ambience. There's actually more reverb/echo than u may think. After multiple listenings, I actually think that my sound has a little less ambience than the original.

    EDIt: the B string flat tuning. Well I didn't do it, some guitars may need it. I think that Eldy already sounds perfect with the normal tuning - despite many argued the contrary...
     
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    Michael RT Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    That is a great EVH tone :dude: Excellent job nailing that tone. :applause:
     
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    customwhite Well-Known Member

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    I've got a 1959HW, took it to my friends house last weekend,
    put all knobs at 10 and played some riffs with a LP custom,
    I was surprised how much gain the amp had.
    (BTW I used a power brake...)
     
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    wkcchampion New Member

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    @MichaelRT thanks bro

    @Customwhite ha! I'm sure it's a great amp, and it WILL nail this tone out of the box. Yes the attenuator is a must. Try to use the above posted settings (the bass was at 0 'cos the Flys are very bassy. Put the Bass knob as high as u can without having the infamous low end flab/mud).
    Get a cabinet with G12Ms, betetr if PreRola/Rola (102 003) or Scumback clones. A sm 57 in front. Reverb and EQ as necessary. There u go!
     
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    customwhite Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to buy a 1960HW cab to match the amp,
    It has the G12H 30 speakers.
     
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    wkcchampion New Member

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    if u want my opinion, I would NOT buy any new Celestion. They won't sound as the old ones, because the cones are not the same. Yup.
    I'd get either old Pre-Rola/Rola G12Ms or Hs, or clones such as Scumback.
    All these new Greenback reissue sound somewhat too harsh.

    Ah and BTW, if u want Eddie's sound, the Hs are not righ anyway. Hendrix and Page used the Hs.
     
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    thrawn86 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds great.....needs a thick reverb in there to be a duplicate. :thumb:

    FWIW, most of us here who use NOS don't say that NOS are the only way to the famous sounds of yesteryear......I love what they do for my amp, but the amp itself is where the famous sounds come from (i.e. 1959, 2203, JTM45, etc.). Jon Wilder preached this incessantly, and most of us already know that.
     
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    Hi Marco. You certainly nailed the Brown Sound. I think it sounds great. Let's hear more.

    David :jam:
     
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    Joey Voltage Well-Known Member

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    Very Close indeed, you just need verb on the right side, and a tiny bit of fizz, and it's there.
     
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    Super job, Marco. Enjoyed it.
     
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    wkcchampion New Member

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    Thanks very much! And thanks also to Marty, David, Joey and to the others I forgot to mention. :hippie:

    Yeah, as I said, the original contains maybe a little more 'verb. Regarding the fizz... eeeeh yes! The old recordings DO HAVE more noise... today's modern DAWs have powerful noise gates and suppressors, and cut out all of this fizz and noise that is heard in vintage recordings. It's obvious that a Superlead at cranked volume is noisy ;) Recording on tape certainly would give that final touch IMO.


    So very true! And IMO (and Wilder would agree) old Marshalls or clones would nail it better. Anyway, u won't get a 1959 from a 2203 or a DSL or a... [type another amp here]. The same way you won't get Brian May's soudn from a Marshall, or.... David Gilmour's sound from a Dual Rectifier (too obvious :hmm:? :lol:).
    EDIT: and obviously you won't nail anybody's tone with Line6 hahaha, I learnt the lesson (did u get it, Wallmarksuck?)

    And don't forget the speakers and miking! Current Celestion Greenback reissues have the wrong magnets, you won't get that Pre-Rola sound... as I aid before. You can find several shoot-out between 102 003, clones such as Scumback and current Heritage Greenbacks, you'll hear what I mean.
    To nail EVH, my opinion is that these old Greenies are needed. To my ears the new ones sound different and harsher. The Palmer actually models the old Greenies with little or no EQing.
    He may have mixed in some JBL 120s too.

    Miking: eeeeh the dark art... that's always tricky.
     
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    Good job Marco! Now the big test,to make it sound like Eddie sounds on vinyl. :)
     

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