Simple pure tone

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  1. Steve Smith

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    Hope I have got the correct section here.

    I just want to discuss pure natural Marshall tone, no flim flam.

    Not about the greatest player etc etc ok

    My 3 nominees are :

    Hendrix

    Angus Young - bunch of 50 Watt JMP Super Leads, Tone boost pedal for solos and a couple of Gibson SG's with standard pickups. Plus his fingers :)

    Van Halen 2nd album and Fair Warning - 1st album sound was just too intense with over the top use of phaser and flanger. The light dimmer/variac story Edward now admits was bullshit.

    VH4 uses a lot of chorus and flange but does not get in the way too much IMVHO

    This is tonal perfection to me

     
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    My nomination would go to KK Downning, and Glenn Tipton
    Unleashed in the East.
    Cheers
     
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    I have always said it was BS as well. Hmm got a link to this revelation?
     
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    Authorised bootleg the Kentucky Headhunters. About as good as a Les Paul and a Marshall can sound. Cool playing too.
     
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    You couldn't believe a word he said then, and you especially can't believe it now.
    Didn't you know? back in 1980 he had an evh iiis tucked away behind a curtain.
    His amps now that he sells don't have variacs, so back then he didn't use variacs.
    He'd sell his mums knickers if he could.
     
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    Does the above mean no pushing the amp with pedals...would be considered flim flam....
    (just pure natural Marshall tone....)

    Very difficult to think of any that just plugged in and that Marshall being used was it.

    AC/DC, but even Back In Black was affected by the wireless system.

    AC/DC
    Ace Frehley
    I'm sure there has to be others.........
     
  7. MickeyJ

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    zappa, yes,aerosmith, ace f, hendrix, townsend, clapton, r.blackmore, zeppelin, the dude out of the winery dogs and of course j.beck he's probably used them for longer than anyone, i bet evh can dial up a plexi to sound good quicker than anyone on the planet
     
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    Ritchie Blackmore.
     
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    Angus Young...thats a great nominee IMO! Hard to think of any that Im aware of. Does Warren Haynes use pedals???
     
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    There's a rig rundown on Warren on YouTube, i think he's got a couple, not many though.
     
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    Michael Schenker with UFO or solo.

    ACDC for chure!

    Iron Maiden
     
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    Both Youngs from AC/DC. Also, the tone from Def Leppard High n Dry sounds raw. Too bad they left that behind for the $$$.
     
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    :agreed: I agree with this statement.
     
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    Any live Cream
    Blackmore on Made In Japan.
    Late 70's Cold Chisel, Ian Moss had a killer Strat into Superlead tone.
    Schenker straight into 50 watt JMP on Strangers In The Night.
     
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    Glen Buxton and Michael Bruce killed it on "Love it to Death." Straightforward Marshall right between the eyes tone.

     
  17. Matthews Guitars

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    Another vote for VH when Eddie wasn't overdoing it on the effects. Somebody Get Me a Doctor is the quintessential Brown Sound.


    If someone asks "What does a classic Marshall sound like, straight without effects?" then I just tell them "Listen to AC/DC. It's exactly that.".


    Some time ago, Eddie expressed regret that he'd told stories about cranking up the variac, when he realized that this caused a number of people to blow up their amps but good. But he's always been cagey about how he got his complete tone.

    Personally I have yet to be impressed by any 5150 series amp. They've got the fuzz and the buzz but they don't have that woody knock and character that defines a Plexi's sound.

    A cranked Plexi is like being hit in the face with a genuine ash Louisville Slugger. A cranked 5150 is like being hit in the face with an aluminum Easton softball bat. I prefer the feel and taste of the wood.
     
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    his amp's now & his sound now, are nothing like the sound he had, when he used the plexi w/ the variac...
     
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    I don't have a link-source right off, but I remember reading that he was sorry because, back in the day, he claimed that he'd turn the variac up & run 180v into his Marshall until the tubes melted. In truth, he fessed up, that he actually turned the variac down to just above 90v & starved the tubes. He was sorry because all the guys who did that were chasing a fools errand & frying their amp's...

    Supposedly Randy Rhoads did that on the Blizzard of Oz albums, as per Max Norman. So, Ted Templeman & Max Norman would be the proof that he (& Randy) did do it.

    Lee Jackson had commented on it, noting that when they did use the variac, there comes a point, at around 90v, where the heaters don't have enough power, so, you need to run it above that point.
     
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  20. MickeyJ

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    The truth has nothing to do with what evh has ever said, the truth of the matter is closely linked to money.
    Evh says what he says simply to cash up, and he has the right to do that, but I have to the right to notice.
    Im certain at one point he himself wanted his tone back after it was created in the studio, but soon thereafter ( after realizing technology, especially at that time, wasn't going to get him even close, the original 5150 was designed to have lots of front end dirt, and the power stage to have thick girth in a very crude attempt to capture the VH1 tone) he realized it is basically money for nothing, pushing products with the EVh name and colors.
    Remember here the whole reason for the dispute with Hagar, the use of the word cabo wabo to name steak houses, it's all about $$$.
    He'll say whatever it takes to sell amps and brand, and that's his right.it's Hollywood after all right?
     
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