Series 1 1961 Bluesbreaker - What Do You Think?

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  1. Flano_mark

    Flano_mark New Member

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    Thanks for the information Clanger! - Much appreciated!
     
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    You're welcome. a couple of other things i've picked up along the way, - Every one of the first 100 that is in my view pukka have the selector drake PT and blue top mounted hunts cap (apart from maybe a few RS examples) and black hunts snubber that you have. LEad versions have small brown ceramic bright cap. Again Serial numbers are random, but the earlier ones seem to feature Bulgin mains sockets and DIN footswitch jacks. Later ones tend to have hard wired mains leads (particularly combo's rather than heads) and either hardwired trem footswitches or 1/4 jacks for footswitches. Those are just some basic trends. Its always a job to know how much to give away to the fakers..

    Im not an expert on cabs so wont comment, they are better seen in person, and Im open minded about your speakers being orignal tending towards maybe not.

    I wonder what the ratio of head units to combos was, but it is possible yours is one of the first 20 BB's. Enjoy!
     
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    With the limited pictures , no pot date codes and no pictures of the inside of the cab and the question of it being regrilled and a mismatched head / cab I would consider it an amazing find and a very cool players parts together amp.

    As we have agreed that none of us were at the factory during these early years of production I remain curious about the production numbers of these amps. Aren't they as rare and cool as the late 50's Gibson Flying V's and Explorers ??

    We have production numbers of those guitars.

    Thanks again to Flano_mark for sharing the pics and great story !!

    Looking forward to hearing how it sounds when it is fixed up.
     
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    Yes, it puts me in mind of a joke in vintage motorcycle cirrcles. Only 100 were ever made, of which 200 survive..

    Tom Nice to see you are the current custodian of 7032, which is a good 'un. and very much akin to 7087 and 7088,
     
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    Various versions of that joke,e.g.:

    Of the 100 people that attended the Sex Pistols show in Manchester, 150 of them instantly formed their own punk bands...

    Also seen it used on Gibson 'Bursts!
     
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    Yes full capacity of Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall was 150 seated. 50p a ticket and about 50 people actually in the audience.

    Back to topic. Trying to decide what is so special about a B.B. vs a JTM45 in terms of tone. It looks like the OP is well appraised of doing a nice sympathetic restoration of this one. Is it rarity or is it something in the oft. unused Trem circuitry that gives it its tone (confession - I have never played an original pinstripe B.B. sure later ones, RIs but not an unmolested original.
     
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    Has anyone got a link to a good and legible schematic for these models? Anything I come across on line seem to be poor copies!:shock:
     
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    # 7272

    More real versions of the BB with chassis mounted to blocks in the cab. No holes in the end lips showing that the chassis was not previously mounted in a head version. This BB is currently on Ebay.

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    Hi Folks,

    Just an update here. I've not had time to make much progress with the refurbishment, however the OT and Choke are with Brian M at present for repair - Both needed work. Once I get these back I can get to work!

    A question regarding the valve retainers, as noted by Neikel. Are they definitely asbestos? I have read some conflicting info on these, and just want to be sure. Any guidance appreciated.

    Ned B and Clanger - I wonder could you post some pictures of your amps that you mentioned in previous posts? It would be great a few more pics of similar vintage...they are indeed hard to find.

    Many thanks guys,

    Mark
     
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    OMG! :wow:

    This is some super amplifier porn! :bowdown: So good that I'd not be surprised for it to banned in some countries! :naughty: Sorry that I've nothing to add, other than the appreciation! I can't believe I missed this in the earlier go around!

    Thanx 2 All 4 Sharon! She Was A GOOD Girl, In The Worst Ways! :p
    Gene
     
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    096-7042-01 Marshall Bluesbreaker Chassis 1965.JPG 096-7042-16 Marshall Bluesbreaker Chassis 1965.JPG Here's 7042. Photos taken just after unpacking. the D4 date code on one of the mustards leads me to early '65 on this chassis.
     
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    Very nice Ned !! :) Thanks for sharing !
     
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    It was found at a car boot sale for 40 Quid. Unfortunately, I was the next buyer. Chassis depth is 7.25 inches. I had a nice repro cab made copying to a "T" an original style I, including EC cloth. Oops the opening was much too narrow!
     
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    neikeel Well-Known Member

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    Ah ............but the next pics Ned................!!
     
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    Thanks for this Ned! Much appreciated.

    I see the chassis is drilled for side mounting, which is very interesting. As Tom, London John and the guys have said earlier, there seems to be variance in this from amp to amp - this again shows that block mounting was common.

    Great to see another so similar - how does it sound?
     
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    In a world full of fakes....that amp looks 100% real. :agreed:
    sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
     
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    It has that nice headroom, clean saturation gain that I love. That's how you get big notes!
     
  19. Ned B

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    Here is 7191 in the cab Nick found for me. Yes I have over the years found 2 separate, fairly clean BB chassis. chassis dropped in nicely. 3 out of 4 side mount screws matched up. Cab is probably a few months lat 031-7191-05 Marshall Model 1962 Bluesbreaker 1966.JPG 031-7191-06 Marshall Model 1962 Bluesbreaker 1966.JPG er than the chassis which probably would have had Vox vents. Still all in all an almost top tier BB. Also sounds great with the original T1221 20 waters.

    031-7191-01 Marshall Model 1962 Bluesbreaker 1966.JPG
     
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    Beautiful !! I would love to hear it cranked up !!
     

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