SC20H/HOLY CRAP!

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  1. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member

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    Well, to me, the 800 Studio sounds a lot like a Jcm800 2203.


    There seems to be more definition and clarity to the tone than a Dsl, and pick response is heightened.

    When cranked there seems to be an abundance of overtones that make for very pleasing sounds. Also, the 800 Studio doesn’t have as much compression that the DSLs have. The compression can be controlled with the preamp volume knob on the 800 Studio.

    That preamp volume control is very sensitive, in that a small turn of the knob makes quite a difference in gain. Going from a light crunch to semi-high gain.

    Setting the preamp low like 5 or less gives you a nice clean tone. Then at 5 as you start to go higher, it’ll get quite crunchy. Then from 6 up there are dramatic increases in gain.

    On a Dsl it seems to me that the gain knob, especially on the red channel, is no where near as sensitive. You could turn it up or down 1 or 2 digits and get only a slight increase or decrease in gain imo, and there are copious amounts of gain that the 800 Studio cannot match without a pedal.

    I gotta tell ya’ @Seventh Son, this is a tough question for me to answer. I’m not very good at describing the differences in tone between two amps,...plus it’s late and my meds are kickin!
     
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    Again, my only experience is with the bigger siblings: DSL100 and 2203/2204, so take it for what it is.
    But IME the DSL can get pretty close to the JCM in tone (if you dial it in for it), the difference lies more in feel and touch response. The latter is more responsive to variations in pick attack, guitar controls, which to me is a byproduct of having less compression/gain in the preamp section. My theory being that simpler circuits (and old school single channels as a whole) simply are more touch responsive. Which means you need more controlled and consistent pick attack, while channel switchers are a bit more...permissive (for lack of better word) in that department.
    Which also means the DSL doesn't get as easily from clean-ish to mean at a simple turn of the guitar volume. Though the DSL on Red 1 with gain at noon can do it in some capacity, just not as beautifully as the 2203.
    And yeah, the DSL has more gain (as in the "guitarist" definition of the word) in store, so it doesn't rely as much on volume and/or boost pedals to get to modern amounts of saturation and compression.
     
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    I have both a DSL20 and DSL40. The SC20 simply sounds more open, lively and dynamic. Even when well driven into distortion/overdrive, the SC20 retains a certain clarity and definition that gets lost from the DSLs once driven into similar distortion/overdrive. The DSL amps can certainly come fairly close with the tone, but not the feel. And FWIW, the DSL20 seems a bit more "natural and raw" compared to the DSL40. I think the 20's best comes with it's Classic channel gain and volume fully cranked, and the volume tamed by a @JohnH attenuator! While the DSL20 is a glorious upgrade from a Deluxe Reverb, it won't hold a candle to the SC20 and I'm suspecting also the SV20. When they get here to try!

    Just My $.02,
    Gene
     
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  4. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member

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    You might,..........
     
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    tce63 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Yes you do :)
     
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    scozz Well-Known Member

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    This is from one who knows,. @Michael Roe,..... @tce63 has both!
     
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    Yes i have, booth are fantastic amps, i will keep them for ever :)
     
  8. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha,....I feel the same way tce! I’ve never had an amp that I felt I would keep till I die.

    I do now! ;)
     
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    scozz Well-Known Member

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    Btw, what time is it now where you are @tce63?

    It’s almost 9:30 am here in Florida,....

    ,....(and the east coast of the US)
     
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    Here it is almost 15.30 soo we are 6 hours Before you
     
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    Weird, I would have sworn Sweden and France are on different timezones (it's 3.30 PM here too).
    And yeah, the SV20H is the best sounding and feeling amp I've ever owned ;)
     
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    scozz Well-Known Member

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    Wow, so you guys use military time! So if I’m not mistaken that’s 3:30 pm in regular time, correct?

    (Sorry off topic I know,...I’ll stop)
     
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    You’re in France @WellBurnTheSky?
     
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    WellBurnTheSky Well-Known Member

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    Yup, southeast of France, near Marseille.
    (and off to a gig in Salon-de-Provence in a dozen of minutes, come say hello if you're in the area ! we'll be kinda hard to miss - Queen tribute band on a big stage with lots of lighting, and a hack on guitar with a couple Marshall heads, a way-too-big pedalboard, a Strat and a LP)
     
  15. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member

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    Ok I just googled mapped it, so you’re not too far from the med coast? I’m about 5 mins from the Ocean here in Port Orange FL.

    I’d love to come to the show but I don’t think I can make it in time,......according to google map, I’m 4701 miles from you!!

    Oh, sorry, 7566 kilometers! :D
     
  16. Dogs of Doom

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    this is a good example of the SV20



    if you like to use pedals you can get total metal from it...

    after 4:30 he shows higher gain.
     
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    Yeah, 10 minutes drive from the coast.
    And yeah, might be complicated to show up on time :lol:
    Back from the show btw, several people (including the FoH guy) commented on how good I sounded...definitely super happy with the SV20H/EVH 212 setup !
     
  18. masque13

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    Hello everyone! New to the forum. I recently purchased a SV20 and the matching 2 x 12 vertical cab and have been completely blown away by it.

    I came here wanting to interact with some fellow amp lovers so I was pleased to see a thread praising this amp because I really believe it is worthy of that praise.

    I’ve been playing music for about 34 years now and have always wanted a plexi but just never had. Soooooo glad I did now. I am truly stunned with its tone and versatility which I did not expect that part at all.

    Anyway, I look forward to hanging and interacting with you folks.
     
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    I know what you mean :) The SV20 is one of the best amp i have played

    :welcome: to the forum.
     
  20. scozz

    scozz Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to The Marshall Forum! Congrats on you SV20 acquisition.
     
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