Rhoads' Tone

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  1. jstich

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    Hello! I basically love Randy Rhoads' tone on recordings. Is the dislike of his tone a simple matter of a bit too much treble for some people? I like a good bit of treble so Im wondering if that's the difference.
     
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    More like too middy,and hairier than a 70’ s. Pornstar bush and grizzly Adams balls combined.
     
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    Ew and giggity at the same time.
     
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    I’m no expert on Randy, but I always thought his tone lacked mids and possibly had too much treble and presence dialed in. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. It’s just not my preference.
     
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    Thanx for the link,ive seen that interview before.It has good info . See, too much treble and presence. Interesting.
     
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    His tone could be described as … "Hollow Earth".
     
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    Probably from years of running that Peavey...dialed the Marshall in the same..
     
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    That would be just my guess. Keep in mind that fizz or treble can come from many things, including too much preamp distortion.

    Considering Randy's style of playing, it would not be a stretch of imagination to hypothesize that he may have had a tendency to dial in too much treble because it reduces the resistance of the amp, which suits faster playing styles. A good example of that is Nita Strauss's tone in the video below. She's a proud shredder and tends to use lots of distortion and treble (which I'm using here as a catch-all term for presence, treble, and anything that boosts perceived highs) to make notes jump off the fretboard with minimal effort.
     
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    I agree with this, it appears to me that he tailored his amp's settings to suit his playing style at the expense of a sound more complimentary to the material being played. His tracks didnt seem to sit in the mix, but rather on top of it. Another element of his work which, to me, was also detrimental to the overall picture, was that he played out of the pocket a bit much...giving me the feeling of listening to someone who was playing along with a record at home. It's a tragedy that he didn't live longer because he probably would have grown out of a lot of this. His knowledge of theory and dexterity were admirable.
     
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    Gunner, when did Rhoads use Peavey?
     
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    He used a Peavey 130 standard and I think 6 jbls with his mxr distortion+ in front when he was with Quiet Riot.
     
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    I agree with the mid-range assessment. Throw in a little overdrive/distortion/dirt, and things do get very "hairy."

    In general I do like RR's tone, but not it's not something I want for my tone.
     
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    Did someone say Rhoads? Sorry god? :agreed: :)
     
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    Would have been the tallest guy on the stage had it not been for that foot removal surgery.
     
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    As I mentioned, I'm not an expert on Randy. I was only familiar with a small number of Youtube videos, where he appeared to have a very scooped tone, plus I have a buddy who's a huge fan, and he always has a very scooped tone, so I thought it would have to be true in general. I just listened to Blizzard of Oz, the supposedly worst Randy Rhoads tone on record, and I stand corrected on what I earlier said, where I said that Randy's tone is very scooped. On that album in particular, the tone is mostly mids, possibly even boosted mids (it's probably the MXR Distortion+ and maybe even a parametric equalizer). Personally, I don't see why people don't like his tone on that record. It's a very standard guitar tone for that time and even today, if you're into more classic rock. To my ear, it sounds saturated and treble boosted (not the actual treble, but upper mids), but in a good way. I'd kill to have a guitar tone like that by just going straight into the amp. It also reminds me of Maiden's tone on Piece of Mind (listen to the isolated tracks on Youtube and you'll see what I mean) or the tones on many Priest albums. Pretty standard stuff, I'd say. As I said, I don't see why people consider Blizzard of Oz as one of the worst tones Randy ever recorded. It's a pretty sexy tone. Rich, aggressive, forward, placed correctly in the frequency spectrum where the electric guitar should be in a mix.
     
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    IMO, there was a few things:

    1. He recorded many different tones/textures.

    He had multiple guitar tracks & they EQ'd them all differently to not clutter up the mix.

    2. He recorded w/ more distortion than many do.

    3, He used full range (hi-fi) Altec speakers that didn't break up in the midrange like British guitar speakers.

    manual/spec sheet:
    http://greatplainsaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/417-8H_lfspkr_spec_sheet.pdf
     
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    Here's a head like he used in Q.R..
     
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    I always thought his tone sounded too much like two cheap distortion pedals in series. Just too ratty and harsh.
     
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