Reissues vs Vintage

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  1. Mick10

    Mick10 Member

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    I did a search but didn't see this topic covered recently, so ... at the risk of opening a can of worms, how good are the reissue Plexi amps vs. vintage? I see that in this rig rundown Angus' tech says he is running them

     
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    Thanks for sharing, great stuff
     
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    ampmadscientist Well-Known Member

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    The amp is built as the same design but the parts are different.
    This will make the amp sound different compared to an original.
     
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    Kinkless Tetrode Well-Known Member

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    There will be quite a bit more variation among originals. It's kinda like PAF pickups. The reissues will have less variation of tone. They will sound good but maybe not exactly like your favorite, or maybe they will.
     
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  5. Mick10

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    I know a lot of guys like the Line 6 Helix and maybe its better for a big live gig, I see Sam Coulson uses one; but I plugged my 57 TV Junior into my Bray "Plexi" today and damn, that is a heavenly sound! I like an amp moving the air
     
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    South Park Well-Known Member

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    Thar is no substitute for the real thing . The mojo is in the transformers .the new stuff works and sounds good and you do a lot with it . If you can’t buy a vintage amp you can build one
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The end result of any sound has more to do with effects/mix than any amplifier.
    Yes, you want an amplifier or more importanly a guitar rig that makes the end result easier to achieve.
     
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    thats my take too.
    Its sort of like a college student drawing the MonaLisa. On paper it all checks out, but the x factor is missing.
    Not to say the reissues are bad, but you would have to pay good money for an e act replica namely the: Hendrix JTM stack.
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    So, what type of output transformer provides the exact mojo desired?
     
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    South Park Well-Known Member

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    I think the classic tone transformers does the job just fine a amp built to the original specs a good set of tubes biased right and the right speakers will get you thar.
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    It is confirmed. An output transformer that mimics the original is the greatest.
     
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    Do you have a bray modded plexi or a bray 4550?
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    I would like to know what a Bray has to do with plexi versus vintage and why a 57 junior matters.

    I am just flabbergasted.
     
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    I think the original amps are superior. I know that "reissue" doesn't guarantee the amp will be all that much like the original. I bought a JTM 45 RI and it did not sound very good, it was completely lacking in Marshall magic. My friend who takes care of my Marshalls (he owns a real JTM 45) changed the parts of the circuit that were different than the original, and brought it to the correct specs, and it woke right up. Added some vintage tubes and that amp now just wails. It really opened my eyes that an amp called a reissue contained parts that did not even have the same values as the amp it was named after. Now I wouldn't sell that amp, it rocks. Even so, against my friend's real one, the real one is still better.
     
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    I think the transformers are a big part like was said. I've played a few vintage ones and they all sounded different. Not hugely different but they all had their own thing going on and they all sounded great. I was told when buying mine that the transformers now are designed to strict health and safety standards and won't go over 230V (correct me here as I'm no electrician) and my '71 puts out closer to 513V as there were no real health no safety guidelines back in the day.

    This is why NOS Mullards or Siemens are preferred as they will take this kind of voltage. Newer tubes won't. My amp goes through tubes pretty quickly and I only get a year before they need to be changed.

    I did notice the older ones after '73 with the PCB boards were much brighter than the older handwired ones. And they are a bright amp to begin with.

    But the reissues do sound fantastic too. If I was thinking of retiring mine from gigging, I'd be more than happy with a reissue.

    And the ones being built now are absolutely outstanding too. I've only heard a few but they really had a nice vibe to them.
     
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    Preach. Amen
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Transformers:
    underrated - will saturate lending to early distortion artifacts
    at proper rating - middle of the road
    overrated - will not saturate providing more overhead

    Different materials and winding styles will color things differently but the rating is where its at.
     
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    People argue this stuff from one end of the earth to the other but THERE ISNT a world of difference between the originals and the reissues just as there isn’t a world of difference between a plexi and a metal panel.

    The iron is probably the biggest difference. The difference in the circuits is very minimal.

    One thing that people don’t take into account when watching YouTube videos of these vintage amps is the fact that these amps are now 50 plus years of age and have drift in the components that new ones don’t have. People often judge these amps by the classic recordings from their favorite artist but they overlook or don’t know anything about studio compression, mixing etc.
     
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    Filipe Soares Well-Known Member

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    my 2 cents:

    if you want to play gigs without worring: reissues
    if you want a collectors item: originals
    if you are rich: do whatever you want
     
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    @Mick10, I was just goofing with this post.
    I sure would be cool if we could hear that combination you described. Heavenly is good.
     
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