RECONED! Deceptive Seller on Reverb

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  1. tonefinder

    tonefinder New Member

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    This guy was trying to sell a single G12M for about $500. The speaker was clearly a Waldom recone, but he made no mention of this. He was trying to pass it off as original. At least he was "honest" enough to include a photo of the WF 1009 cone stamp (without any mention of what this means). I messaged him (and Reverb admin) with the issue, and he updated the listing:

    https://reverb.com/item/29758870-ce...71-original-vintage-uk-marshall-thames-ditton

    His new post lessens the deception, yet still states "Original Vintage," and "I am advised it may be reconed"... Ultimately hedging by saying "I have no firsthand knowledge." (WF 1009 cone, totally obvious)

    And he STILL wants $385 plus shipping!!!

    Some poor sod will come along, get swept up and believe.

    I am livid.
     

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    houseofrock Well-Known Member

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    Though dishonest, I wouldn't worry too much. People that don't know wouldn't pay that much for a single speaker and people that do know would not either. The ad is confusing enough to make you say hmmmm! The picture of the cone alone makes me want to buy something else. The surround is in bad shape. Other places on the cone are questionable. By you bringing up it being a re-cone (being added to the description) I believe will make buyers pass.
     
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    Scumback Speakers Well-Known Member Sponsor

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    Thanks, just made note of the seller's name/store/etc. Jeez I hate sellers like this, but I've been had by many of them 20 years ago buying speakers as "original cone", etc.
     
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  4. StingRay85

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    Speaker is worth 50 at most
     
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  5. Matthews Guitars

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    I messaged him about it myself. Let's see what happens.

    I'd value a Waldom reconed speaker in pristine condition at about what a new reissue speaker sells. But that one isn't even a pristine recone. Surround tears make it close to worthless. Oh, that can be fixed, but there are plenty of reconed speakers out there with no cone damage to deal with.
     
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  6. tonefinder

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    As long as you don't care about sound or resale value, maybe the Waldom recone is equivalent to a new Greenback.

    If you can get the seller down to what the frame is worth ($25), you could have Scumback recone it into an M75. Out the door, there's your cost of a new (but better sounding) RI.
     
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    I've heard & owned several Waldom cones in just about every type of Celestion frame and they all pretty much suck, IMO. Couldn't recone them fast enough. They are not even as good as a new Celestion Reissue.
     
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  8. StingRay85

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    Let's all make him reverb offers of 20 bucks;-)
     
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    :agreed:
     
  11. BygoneTones

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    Maybe he paid a lot for it himself and that is why he won't lower his price. Some people learn the hard way that not all pre-rolas are worth crazy money.

    The magnet cover does have some value as a spare part, but after that there's very little value there. It needs re-reconing, not necessarily because of the damage to the cone, but mainly because those waldom cones just sound awful.

    Funnily enough I do need that exact speaker (T1221 with 9th Oct 1970 date code) for a 4x12 I bought a few weeks ago. 3 original T1221's with that exact date code. Be nice to have the full quad. I'm not buying that one though.
     
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  12. tonefinder

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    In my second round of messaging the seller and reporting his post, I asked him what he paid for the speaker, and why is he trying to take advantage of the next guy? No response, of course.

    I absolutely think you should buy it! (For an insultingly low price)
     
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    It's only worth what a bare basket is worth. So then a buyer can do a Scumback, or Celestion cone, etc.
    Waldom recones sound like crap.
    I have messaged sellers like this, and they do the same as this one. Still stick to the "may be a recone" or "May be original, not sure" BS. And lower the astronomical price $100, LOL.
    I hate dishonesty with old gear.
     
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    It is only worth the frame/label value. I wouldn't give the seller more than $50, then recone it. Waldom cones just sound thin and harsh to my ears, but I'm pretty jaded where speakers are concerned.
     
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    Did you get any response from the seller?
     
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    No response to me, either. He's just a dishonest seller, almost worth calling a thief. I wouldn't be too surprised if the speaker is worse than described, with a blown voice coil or slipped magnet.
     
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    I didn't contact the seller. I've got more than enough old Celestion frames I've reconed here at my shop. I think Bygone Tones wanted the frame because it matched the date codes of three he has. I literally have speakers falling out of my bunghole!
     
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  18. tonefinder

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    In my third (unanswered) message to the seller, I indicated he was gaining a bit of notoriety over here...

    ...aaand the speaker remains available, price unchanged.

    It seems no amount of threats or humiliation will convince this guy to change his ways. I've also begged Reverb to intervene- guessing this doesn't meet their scam threshold.
     
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    I worked at a company for 16 years that was an authorized JBL, Altec and EV factory recone station. The waldom kits were junk at best. I saw several Altec speakers that had the waldom kits installed and they were not precision and were very crudely made. I was happy to remove the Waldom and install Altec/Great Plains Audio kits. The Waldom kits for JBL are too tight and don't have the same compliance.
     
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    hazmat7719...I can't say I'm surprised. Thanks for your input.
     
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