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  1. JBA

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    Celestion Century Vintage... It's a neo, everybody run and hide your amps lol!

    Couldn't find much on it but needed something super light; it's stupid light. I was totally expecting a compromise naturally. I compared it to a vintage 30 and all three creambacks; And I actually like it better then all those. It's based off a Vintage 30 of which is great but can sometimes be a little too pronounced for some. This neo is a less extreme version of that and totally kicks butt. I can't believe these are barely spoken of. If you get a chance I highly recommend you try one.

    Go ahead, Trust a nobody and your own ears; I dare you.:naughty:

    Have you tried one? If so, let us know what you think.

    Cheers!
     
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    Glad it's working for you …… While the Neodymium magnets are light ( big pro ) …… There are situations that can make them a poor choice ( small con ) ……
    Efficiency under High Sound Pressure may not be your concern but the problem does exist
     
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    Everyone cling to your old draconian Alnico...
     
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    I've had both the Century Neo and the Vintage version. I think I still have one in a combo buried here that I don't play. They just didn't sound right to me, something off with them, although I tried to like them.
     
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    I would compare the Celestion G12 to a guitar that has flat wound strings on it. Its limited from going into the full sound range that one would expect. Like flat wound strings, I would think this speaker has it use, and depends what tonal sound one is after.

    I hear its appeal. :dude: Might not be right for everyone though..


    I found this clip, maybe not the best but it give one an idea..

     
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    I'd love to mess with some neos, but unless someone else is footing the bill, I'm gonna wait for em to hit the used market
     
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  7. JBA

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    Good feedback gents! I originally read the first "Century" version was a dog and there is a bunch out there on that. I had also found that the CV cone is said to be an England made vintage 30 cone and motor assembly so whether that is right or not I'd like to know cause that's why I flipped a coin on this light weight guy! I'll have to try and giv'er some volume once broken in to see how the compression compares to the Vintage 30; that's great feedback and I'd expect it to be somewhat more of an issue on the 40 than the 20. As far as sound goes, the on axis response is basically a Vintage 30 with a bit of extension where most presence knobs are Centered (however I only believe this without measuring if indeed it is the Vintage 30 cone and motor). The slight high frequency extension is very similar to two of the creamback models which seem to have a formidable following. I actually have all the equipment to measure this axial response data (compression too, its actually really easy to do but it just takes more beers). How to find the motivation to do it though...lol!
     
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    While not a Technical Responce …… My experience with Neodymium Mag Speakers is related to High Sound Pressure over time …… My Avocation is Pro Sound Reinforcment …… 5 or 6 years ago I learned the hard way with some Neo 18" Subs …… I use outboard power amps and electronically roll off everything above 100Hz …… The Neo's would get Hot …… Then their efficiency would drop …… Compensated for that by pushing them a bit more …… Hotter=Quiter …More Watts=Louder … Louder = Hotter … repeat …… Vicious Cycle …… I can't say that this would hold true for consistent db with a guitar cab , but I suspect so if the circumstances were similar ……
     
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  9. JBA

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    I know I try to avoid driving peaple nuts with the tech side of this as I used to build drivers, enclosure for pro audio, and also spent most my career in electronic design and prototyping.. And I digress lol!: The reduced surface area for cooling is somewhat of an issue for neo's at power considering one wants to maintain the same Re for the driver although there is much more to this included in the physical design parameters ;-) I suspect testing a fresh CV against a broken in Vintage 30 for most peaple would give the impression that there is a difference in "Pe" compression, although the compliance and resonant frequency would not have reached their designed parameters yet. Xmax has basically three factors: physical, mechanical, and field (magnetic that is). Break in of the suspension and spider change one major parameter affecting overall Pe compression. The feedback you give me tells me there likely is an issue here (if yours was broken in). I can measure and look at data all day but with guitar speakers there is noting better than direct experience. I did beat on my CV tonight to the point of your typical break in flub.. It was loud as hell..what? haha! Full disclosure.. I did smell me some voice coil. I'll try to report back once this puppy has some hours on it and I swap back in the Vintage 30. So far the upper spectrum is pushed up ever so slightly than the 30; A pattern I've notice with the Celestion neo's. Cheers!
     
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    That was a great read !!
    It's a bit hard to imagine the exact same experience that I had with 100db + Live Subs being an issue with 12" Guitar Speakers ..
    I'm certainly interested in your findings ..
    The Flub thing made me think of @Scumback Speakers comment about Flat Wounds !!
     
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    I had a VOX Neo for a while in a 4210 combo, I really liked it! It had the 444 cone.
     
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    JBA, can you post any clips of your Century Vintage (+ what amp are you using)?
    I have been on the verge of pulling the trigger on a CV for a while now. I Have the DSL40CR and was hoping to drop some weight whilst swapping the V Type into a 112 under the DSL.
    I know I shouldn't buy on impulse, and have been trying to hold back, but as these are now out of production there are a limited supply left on the new market. There appears to be only 1 dealer with supplies left in the UK!
    Demo vids are also in short supply for the CV (should that be a worry?) so anything you could post would be a great help to all those you have dared.
     
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    I might be confusing my forums here but, I could've swore someone here was gushing about Celestion Neo's a few years ago...

    Anywho.
    I know of a few metal guys in another forum that like them.
    Nice to see someone else's opinion on them! Pretty rare.

    I'd like to try some 'neo' mag speakers.
    The neo version of the Delta Pro12A would be a godsend for my thiele cab. That thing is heavy...for a 1x12 that is.

    And now that I'm reading that they get inefficient with heat, I want one even more for my tweed combo.

    My dream speaker for that amp would be an 80dB sens. greenback or equivalent.
     
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    OK. Trigger pulled!
    Snail mail, so report back soon(ish).
     
  15. JBA

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    Well I have to say, I'm still really liking the sound of the CV. It has a really nice bite that's hard to explain. The problem with recording all these for you or anyone is that the best sounding recorded speaker of the bunch is not the best sounding in a mix or un Mic'ed with a band or when playing alone in a room. Just to further complicate things, the frequency response curve of a given mic pairs well or terribly with any given speaker too. The v30 sound is better live in the mix yet the creamback 75 is best live un-mic'ed. The creamback 65 is best in a room with no other instruments filling in highs and lows..creamback neo is a close second to this but gets my vote because of its so light weigh; no flub issues with this neo and (slightly) sounds better on the mic than the 65. I have not noticed any compression issues with the CV however I believe it has a higher VAS (looser suspension) so it does start to flub on the low end earlier than the creambacks or the Vintage 30. I suspect there will be less of a gap on the low frequency handling of this speaker in a closed back cab (all my comparisons above are in the dsl40c open back here). All around I'm still digging something about the CV better than these other speakers; when I take the CV out of the 40 or 20 to swap back to another it feels like I have less of a Marshall bite if that makes any sense (please report back your thoughts on this once yours is broken in). If you're looking to crank the 40c(r) then you will likely have to turn down the bass and or resonance a little bit for the CV... you really should be doing this whenever you're playing with others anyway ;-) It does seem to handle my 20 watt cr full tilt just fine but I do suspect that 40c has a little more than 2x the wattage of the 20cr.
     
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    The CV arrived and is now installed. It will obviously need some breaking in, but first impressions are that it is not dissimilar to the V Type that came with the DSL40CR. It is a bit brighter (needs breaking in) and slightly more middy to my ears, but sounds good so far. I have compensated for the brightness by backing off the Presence a bit (2) and am playing around with adding some Resonance. Have left the EQ flat so as not to negate the difference in tonal character. Looking forward to how it evolves over time.

    Super light though (1.7 kg/3.7 lb). The V Type is a fairly lightweight speaker to begin with (3.3 kg/7.2 lb), but the difference is noticeable when lugging the amp about.

    Next test is to try it out alongside the V type installed in my 1912 cab. I think the added bass of having the V Type on the floor will mix well with the CV.
     
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    The missus was away this weekend so I managed to run some music through the AUX in jack for about 4 hours at a reasonable volume. The break in is not finished I think, but it is evolving already. The treble seems to have backed off a bit more than the mids, and the bass seems a bit more pronounced now.
    The V Type is in the 1912 cab under the amp now and I think that is what is lifting the bass. Going back to the CV on its own it actually sounds better. Plenty more experimenting to be had. May swap the speakers around this weekend and try the CV in the closed back 1912 cab.
     
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    I broke in the Century Vintage last night with a pink noise signal and power amp. I also used bunch of pillows and blankets with the driver in "free air" in order to avoid world war three. ;-) I Played the creamback 65 a bunch in the dsl40c tonight and then installed the CV and played it a bunch. The highs have mellowed out some as expected and the great news is there is NO FLUB issues at high power anymore. In comparing all my Celestions I've learned this.. If you want to get your Marshall sounding "really nice" get cream-on-your-back, if you want to feel like a man when you play your Marshall go CV. If any of this hurts your feelings you really really need to get the CV. :nutkick:
     
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