A pair of EVM 12S for 65$! I'll take that deal any day. Granted they were 130 first. Negotiation is key. Good news, they work. Hooked them up to my HiFi system. They seem to be worked on, there is residue of green glue around the spider and the front gasket. I don't care personally. They are guitar speakers, not HiFi. They just need to take the power and sound good. Weather it's the same as from the factory or somewhere in that range, I'm not all that picky. Planing to do a Hiwatt build for them. I heard that these ones come close to the sound of the old fane purple-back 4x12. Well at least that's what Dan from That Pedal Show said. They weight a TON. They are hard to transport but the construction is by far much more sturdy that the regular stamped frames. Really interested in how they sound in the 4010, compared to the G12-65 and G12M70. Your thoughts on them? Any experience? I'm not all that big on preamp gain, what about a hiwattish 2xEl84 with big iron?