MX412AR with Celestion G12E-60

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  1. CraigP

    CraigP Well-Known Member

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    So is this a pretty decent cab setup or would I be better off with a 1960A? I have been looking here locally and I can find a new 1960A for $950 and have not seen any used ones.
    The MX412AR is available at SweetWater for $500. I could upgrade speakers but I am not real sure about the MDF construction on this.

    A couple of months ago I went with a Mesa Rectifier 2x12 to go with my DSL40C. It seemed to match up better than the 1960A cab when I tried it out.
    Now I am shopping for a good matchup for the new DSL100HR, something that can handle the additional power and would match well with the voicing of that amp.
     
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    Drinkingdeath01 Well-Known Member

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    I'd pass on the MX series if I were you. They weren't bad but real plywood does make a difference in sound to me. Where are you located that you can't find a used 1960 on craigslist?
    Also guitar center will ship you a used cab too. They actually charged me $28 to ship a 4x12 to my front door once. I'm not saying thats what you'll pay but sometimes we all get lucky.
     
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    CraigP Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I figured it would probably be wise to spend some extra money and go with the 1960A. Not a fan of used stuff from CL and I found GC to be less than ideal when I asked about what speakers were in a used cab previously and they failed to respond.
    I am even considering a Peavey cab since it has the V30 speakers in it and that is what I have in the Mesa cab which I prefered for my DSL40C. Also, the build of the Mesa cab is better IMO. I like the solid wood back panel, casters and the fit/finish is impeccable.
    But, maybe I will just tote the head down to the store and demo the G12-75 speakers and buy that 1960A cab instead. I mean ya gotta have a Marshall cab for a Marshall head right? :)
     
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    Dogs of Doom Moderator Staff Member

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    no Marshall 412 will have a plywood rear panel. They started using particle board/MDF in around '71/'72...
     
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    Exactly right. Why they do this I don't know but I wish they would FIX this mistake!
     
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    Dogs of Doom Moderator Staff Member

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    smoother sound characteristics &... wait for it...


    cheaper...
     
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  7. CraigP

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    I knew it was cheaper but not that it improved or smoothed the sound characteristics. Not what I would expect but I'm sure they know what they are doing!
     
  8. fifteenohms

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    GC blows those MDF cabs out for $329 on sale.

    I picked one up used in Santa Ana for $70 and the kid gave me a $15 hd 6' cable for it too, having sold the amp.

    Its a very sad thing to put a Marshall badge onto.

    The speakers are weak and if you compare side by side to a real 1960 series cab, youll notice just how much louder stock 75's are over the Econo-Lestion.

    The tolex is like real plasticky too and tears easily revealing sparse application of the glueings.

    I think GC gave me $175 used for it once I was done with it.

    I thanked God to be rid of it because the mdf when I had the back off it to check out the insides, I left a drink on the board and the condensation ring started to puff up right away.

    That was disturbing.
     
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    GC new 1960A, $995 w tax.

    GC used 1960A, $300-750 bring a screwdriver & flashlight. The babyfaced know-nothings that work there are useless.

    Craigslist used 1960A, $75-600. Usually the seller knows everything about his own cab and is helpful to final some kind of deal with you.
     
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    put an H and a M in a 2x12, and you will be in heaven, a lighter heaven than a 4x12
     
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    Buy a used 1960. If you spend $900+ on a new one as soon as you walk out the door you lose 4-$500. The market is flooded with them, and they sit on c.l. for months..and thats at $300-$400.

    With the new mini amp low watt smaller is better craze big amps and cabs are a hard sell anymore..prices are down dramatically from 5 years ago on 4x12s. Your flushing money down the toilet if you buy a new Marshall 1960.

    Bite the bullet and look on c.l...but like was mentioned ask to remove the back panel and check to confirm that the speakers are correct..
     
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    Checked CL for my area, the only Marshall listed is a DSL15H. If I expand the search area geographically, the next item I find within reason is what looks to be a homemade 4x12A cab, listed as "vintage," painted red with a plain plywood backing. Poor thing is ugly too!

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    People that live in metropolitan areas have no idea. They can always find something on CL or they can sell stuff locally fairly easy. I live 2 hours drive from a medium sized city and I have only ever found one Marshall amp listed on the CL equivalent. Ever. Not even MGs or valvestates. I once saw a listing for Celestion Vintage 30s. The photo had a couple of large dust cap speakers in a carpet covered MDF cab with metal grills. Duncan or Dimarzio pickups? Are you kidding. GC used online is really the only resource.
     
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    I live in a town of 65000 people, and there's always 1960 cabs for sale within 150 miles of me. Where are you located? I got 2 available to me now that aren't on cl if your close enough to me.
     
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    Pick out a 1960A cab online from Guitar Center and have it shipped to your local store. Bring a screwdriver and flashlight and pop off one of the handles to look inside (or take off the back). Make sure the cab is plywood, make sure you got 4 G12T75's. Plug into it and make sure it works. If all checks out load it in the back of your SUV and head for home. :yesway:
     
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    True, but truer said is that the larger the cabinet, the lower the fundamental note's threshold is supported.

    This is why a 4x12 always seems deeper than a 2x12 driving the same speaker w the same power
     
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    Plywood resonates which is why personally I prefer particle-board backboards - theyre pretty dead sounding which if dampened with insulating material - increases sensitivity by killing most of the phase-anomalys created by the usual backboard's reflection of the cone's rear-thrust wave
     
  18. CraigP

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    Yea too far. I'm in Dubuque, Iowa.
    No matter where you buy I would buy used, the depreciation on a new cabinet is massive.
    If you buy sight unseen make sure the speakers are what should be in there.
     
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    I picked up a DSL 100H and the MX 4x12 used for 900 total. Had the set up for 8 months and sold the cab for 300 drove 8 miles and picked up a and JCM 900 1960a cab for 400 bucks best deal ever and couldn't be happier, the MX cab is ok but the 1960s with the 75s are way better.
     
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