Michael Doyle - History Of Marshall Books

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  1. sparky88

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    Hi all,

    I'd quite like to get one of the Michael Doyle History of Marshall books, but I'm unsure whether I'd be better off getting the latest "The First 50 years" edition or the highly sought after original.

    Is the newer edition the same as the original book but with extra additions or a new book entirely? I'm not sure if the newer one has any schematics either.

    Does anyone own both and know how they compare?
     
  2. JTM1963

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    I have both and I'd recommend getting the new edition. It's updated and better researched, later models added and better photos.
    The schematics have been omitted but they're easily found online and most of them in better quality.
    One good source is Dr.Tube
     
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    On the wrong side of the tracks.
    The new book is missing the technical reference material.
     
  4. sparky88

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    By "reference material" do you just mean the schematics?
     
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    It's mainly schematics and a section on valves used in Marshall's over the years. There's also a section with reprints of old catalogs.
    They are both in print and a available from Amazon. I think you can get the new edition cheaper from the Marshall shop.
     
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    Does the new one have pics of more genuine unmolested (tweaked) examples.
    We know of a number of items (amps and cabs) are questionable?
     
  7. JTM1963

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    Yes and most amps and cabs there are pictures exterior and interior gut shots.
    It's a brand new book, not a 2nd edition of the previous and it's co-authored by Nick Bowcot who's contributed a lot of research and photos.
    Very enjoyable and interesting read.
     
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    Mike Doyle did an earlier Marshall 'The Sound of Rock' book as well. It's smaller than the later ones. I met Doyle once at Quigley Music in Kansas City back in the eighties, when he was going around the U.S. doing seminars demonstrating the different features of new Marshall amp models, including the 'Studio 15'. Nice chap.
     
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    Chapter 3, pages 29 to 42 in the new book is called 'The Sound of Rock'. How many pages was the book?
     
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    I have his book here somewhere....need to dig it out and re-read it...cool book too!
     
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    I've got both, and they do have different content. 1st one is a bit outdated now with some inaccurate information, but it is still worth having. It's got a lot of old catalogues and adverts in it, which are always good for reference. Some of the information and gear shown are from music ground, so don't take everything inside it as gospel.

    2nd one is bigger and more up to date with more background history, but does omit stuff from the older book like those old catalogues. Some good factory photos in there from the 70's, and a nice old park catalogue. I was disappointed in the cab section though, lots of non-original examples that might give the wrong information eg a pinstripe cab shown with a 9" logo on it, cabs with non original speakers in them and retolexed etc, but no fakes as such. Music ground are not thanked for contributing in this edition.
     
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    Thanks everyone for your insights.

    I've ordered the new edition for £26 on Amazon (although I see it's gone back up to £32 now)
     
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    Doyle said the Marshall Super Lead 93' Reissue was similar
    to the vintage 1968 Super Lead. I find that interesting.
     
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    The best thing about the original is ......that pic of Jimi
    The subsequent printings have much more to say, for sure
     
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    Trivia time - the term Plexi is not used anywhere in that first book!
     
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    Just get the 50th anniversary edition unless you're into the more technical side of things. I found it quite a good read and a valuable reference.
     
  18. sparky88

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    Here's something interesting...

    I found a link to the original version on Google Books. Obviously can't see the whole book but looking at sections and comparing to the new one was quite interesting.

    The chapter about Park is identical to the new book

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    However other chapters such as "The Jim Marshall Story" chapter are quite different. It has obviously been updated to be more reflective following Jim's passing, but it's almost as if the update and collaborative writing for the new book has resulted in some of the original text being paraphrased in the updated version.

    These changes/updates are discussed in the Editor's note at the start of the book.

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  19. JTM1963

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    Seen as the original Park amps were only produced for a short time and in very limited numbers there's very little new information to add since the first book.

    Since Jim lasted way longer than the (original) Park amps line it stands to reason that "The Jim Marshall Story" needed updating.
    :)
     

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