Marshall Inflated Used Prices

Discussion in 'Marshall Amps' started by NewReligion, Aug 9, 2018.

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Have You Noticed Inflated Used Marshall Prices?

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  1. Yes

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  3. Don’t Care

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  1. wakjob

    wakjob Well-Known Member

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    Yeeeeah... just put a few amps in your watch list.
    They aren't selling.

    These are signs of the economy.

    It's a buyer's market, and despite positive hype coming from the white house, we don't have the discretionary income to throw around at this time.

    64% of all americans can't afford a $1,000 cash emergency.
     
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  3. NewReligion

    NewReligion Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    LMFAO...I know the listings. John, what are you playing these days? I still have the Gen 1 Friedman BE 100 you sold me. Great amp for my collection. It actually gets used a lot on stage.

    David
     
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    That's a great point, many of these high priced items sit for years at a time. If you search these things regularly, you'll keep seeing them over and over.

    There's this Wine Red Les Paul that I personally have seen on Ebay since 2014. They used to be asking like $3500, which I considered high for any used Les Paul Standard, but I just did a search for it and, yep... it's still there and is up to $5000 now.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Gibso...l+wine+red&LH_ItemCondition=4&_from=R40&rt=nc

    Also, check the "revision history", which dates it back to 2012...

    https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=261132629450&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2569

    So this one has been listed for 6 years and no sale yet. This is just one of many like it that I've seen. So you're right... just because they're asking a certain price, doesn't mean they're getting that price.

    The really sad thing... in the late 80's, I had a guitar exactly like this... a 1981 Wine Red Standard. I bought it for $400 and eventually sold it for probably about the same, or not much more. It was a sweet guitar, I just needed the money. :noplease:
     
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  5. 67mike

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    If you are smart, you will pickup vintsge modern 2466s at stupid cheap prices that idiots let them go for..........seriously my all time favotite Marshall!!!!!!
     
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    Its the Millennials that keep buying the gear at the stupid ridiculous prices and force us real shoppers to not be able to buy the gear we want at the prices we can afford. Dumbasses!
     
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    Well there is supply and demand. There aren't ass loads of JCM800 single channels around here. So when a 4010 surfaced last year in good condition with a G12-65, I bought it up at $1600 Cdn. Cause I wanted one. Leave it and someone else would buy it.

    Also, I had a DSL40C and it does not have the same rawness of the old 800s. It just doesn't . More versatile? Sure. Sound the same? Nope. So I bought a vintage one. If that screws the market for everyone else, that's their problem, really.

    Standard they are everywhere amps like DSLs don't seem to sell for too much here. Some guys try and get way too much but they never sell. We are in a small market here.
     
  8. MarshallDog

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    They are idiots!
     
  9. NewReligion

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    Well I will go for a well modded Cameron or Friedman JMP for $1800 USD before I buy a Stock JMP for the same price as I can always return the Modded amp to Stock. In fact I can most likely do the opposite as well. It is just all in what you need. Pretty sure EVH, Rhoads, Lynch, DeMartini, Slash, Hammet, Cantrell, Marrs, Beach, Sykes, Aldrich, well just about every damn body that is anybody and now finding out even Malmsteen had their amps worked etc...

    I don't believe they are idiots.

    Building a stock 2203/2204/1987/1959 is a simple task. Turning it in to a studio or live rig worthy amp is a trick.

    Show me this tone with a stock Marshall with no pedal please. Love the way he uses his guitar volume.

    I will just add until you spend some time manipulating circuits, extra pre, clippers, non cathode follower different Tone Stacks etc...or any combination you will be amazed at what can be achieved. My sons play Diezel VH4 and Splawn in addition to my Fiance all of whom have great ears sit with me when inspecting a new arrival amp for modification and we laugh at the short comings of the potential that is later released for the most part. Simply amazing...♫

    EVH Stock? No way in hell...So Many ways to skin that cat. My guess dual 250k pot PPIMV with two 5.1 volt zeners from ground to left MV lug and a load of effects. A little voltage reduction. Easy Peasy. Michael R/T ( great mods ) gets close every day minus the Zener Jose/ Sanchez thing.

    But stock? forget it...♫



     
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  10. KelvinS1965

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    Have I got this right; this is a thread moaning about the price of used Marsalls from someone who wants to buy them to mod and sell for even more? :)
     
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    Vintage equipment is generally not a great investment.

    But....

    A old Marshall is like money in the bank, plus there is a huge "enjoyment" factor which can be priceless.
     
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  12. NewReligion

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    Not quite. As one who picks up used re issues and already HACKED Marshall’s (rescue amps I call them) I NOTICED the INFLATION of used stock Marshall’s to a point of a stupid price point.

    If Marshall could put out a product like some of the excellent modded amps I have and heard, then my search would have ended years ago and I would know little about amp technology. As for moaning, only after a couple hundred miles on the Road King the next morning.

    However I did just buy a 1999 re issue 1959 for a fair price which I can now offer at or iwervthan the price of a stock relic in need of caps and service after nearly 50 years. It is an option many jump on.

    The only time I touch a relic is when a customer sends me a 45 year old amp that he wants modded into a Pandora. This only happens after a propper cap job, cleaning and service.

    There have been a few from here at the Marshall forum but most are from RigvTalk and Facebook as it is only a hobby. It is a service I offer to those searching for the Marshall time with more low end and smooth growling saturated analog sustain.

    Hope this clears up You misconception. Stock is fine but some of us want more. Been waiting some 30 years and if the JVM was the answer it keeps my hobby alive.

    Best to you, David
     
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    I see a lot less vintage Marshalls available now than just a couple of years ago. I've noticed that on my local craigslist as well for several months. Very few vintage Marshalls and a low volume of cool stuff in general. Some explanations already given are they are getting older....rare...etc....or the sellers are asking unrealistic prices and not really selling anything. But, another explanation is the economy is hot right now. A lot less desperate unemployed guys who needs to pay his rent are out there. Lets face it, it may seem like a necessity to us but high end guitars and amps are luxury items. Luxury items are being held by the owners or demand is more than supply for sellers....thus higher prices. I remember just a couple of years ago trying to sell a 1977 Marshall JMP and had zero interest other than low ballers for months. It still pisses me off. This is not limited to Marshalls or musical instruments either. What was the last GDP number...I think > 4% with unemployment under 4%. There is definitely more disposable cash out there which by the law of economics means prices rise with higher demand and lower supply for sought after luxury items. Like I said its not limited to Marshalls...I had two neighbors list their houses for sale last month. Both listings posted on a Thursday with the open house Sunday and both had multiple over asking price offers before the open house.

    Moral of the story.....what goes up will go down and vice versa. Next recession...stock up.
     
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    NewReligion Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    I do believe you nailed it deep purple. I own way too many expensive amps but each are unique. I retired at age 50 so I hot rod Marshall’s primarily, do free repair for the local kids, travel with my fiancée and ride my bike when not playing.

    Great take and observation as I share the same point of view. I have a neighbor who is trying to sell his bike at 1.5 the actual value just to shut his wife up and keep his Harley.

    Went on a 150 mile ride last night after buying a 1959 re issue, came home and played a while. Got up at 5 am getting ready to head out to Lake Michigan (4 hours) to party at a great Casino for the week end. Life is good, then I can plug into a plethora of 100 watt monsters and disappear when I get home.

    Cheers dudes.
     
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    You're living the dream..... driving Harley's and playing Marshall's :)
     
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    Indeed. I wish the best to all and only wish to help those still chasing tone that should come from the manufacturers.

    Think outside the box in all facets. Pandora, what’s in your Box? :)
     
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    But...simply put, not everyone out their wants a high gain Marshall tone like that and then why do sooo many people mod them and then sell them? It seems its getting harder to find one unmolested these days. Not saying the tone is bad but why mod and then sell?
     
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    I am usually asked for a Pandora. Sometimes not. I am happy to say 39 out of 40 still reside with the original owners. Why are people selling any of the stock Marshall’s for other amps? Because that are not satisfied. We are guitarists, we chase tone. That is what Fender and Marshall was built upon. I support a small fraction of those who want more. Why am I catching Hell for helping people who desire more than what is offered?
     
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    You are not catching hell, I am just looking at it from a different angle. My guess why people are selling stock ones off are to make money, they are buy/sellers, they dont play anymore, its part of an estate sale IDK. But the available ones that are stock these days and in good shape are getting harder to find.

    A question, if someone wants that higher gain tone, cant they simply buy a DSL or JVM, etc and get it without modding an older vintage NM volume amp? I am just curious...
     
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    Maybe but I don’t believe the end product would be as desirable due to component/Iron etc... Making the JVM or DSL sound like what Cameron Friedman and many others do including myself is like trying to make a Honda sound like a Harley Davidson it’s just not there. Much can be done to make them better. The modification would be extensive IMO. Unfortunately we have to keep in mind that the transformers from 1974 until 1981 and specifically and unfortunately we have to keep in mind that the transformers from 1974 until 1981 specifically 1978 & 79 are Some of the best sounding OT’s ever made. Though like guitar pick ups they start to change with time.

    It is better to just clone a 2203/2304/1987/1959 (all the same amp) then mod it. Using different OT’s and component tupes can and will
    Produce the ultimate end result much like my latest project which I decided to keep.

    Cliche Attachment Below.
     
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