Marshall 100W Super Lead heavy metal tone. How?

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  1. antonmergaerts

    antonmergaerts New Member

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    Hi all

    I play a vintage 1968 (or '69, not quite sure) 100W Super Lead and have been fiddling with the settings for quite some time now.
    My main goal is to get a nice high-gainy sound out of the thing, but I can't really seem to figure out how or if this is even really possible.

    I've read online about boosting my input-level and adding a bit of crunch with an overdrive-pedal.
    Turning the 2 channels up halfway and adding a little overdrive gets me there to some extent,
    but the amp sounds a bit muddy right now and I feel like it doesn't like being gained up that much.
    The volume also pretty much stays the same from 4.5 all the way up to 10, I assume this isn't normal(?).

    My main questions are:
    1. Should I find a different amplifier to get a heavy-metal tone?
    2. If not, do you have any tips?

    Thanks in advance!
    Anton
     
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    Gutch220 Well-Known Member

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    use a distortion pedal into a clean/slightly dirty amp......instead of an overdrive pedal.

    are you looking for something like a 'Metallica' distortion, or something scooped, like a 'Pantera'-like distortion?
     
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    Trapland Well-Known Member

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    Metal Zone pedal?
     
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    fifteenohms Well-Known Member

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    Have it serviced to spec, play till you learn you’re still unhappy, then mod the crap out of it and never look back.
     
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    antonmergaerts New Member

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    I figured turning the amp down and using a more aggressive pedal would give me a sound like that. I threw in a metal zone a while ago and that worked as hoped, but I was wondering if I could get something close to that by just turning up the amp and boosting it.
    I guess if I wanted to do that I would need something like a JCM800.
     
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    Im247frogs Well-Known Member

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    My Wampler Sovereign is fully epic, dude.
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Yes, more flavors of heavier distortion are required with means to control levels as much as possible.
    If that is not the ticket for you then follow your #1 question above.
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The distortion pedal(s) would be boosting and over driving into distortion.
     
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    you have a late 60's plexi and you're putting a Boss Metal Zone in front of it?............?.............?............

    :coffee:

    It's not a high gain amp, so you'll need a distortion pedal, or perhaps tubescreamer-type overdrive pedal with some kind of mid-range frequency knob to reduce the mids, or just quality distortion pedal as mentioned. You can easily mod a Metal Zone so it doesn't sound like a jar of bees (unless a jar of bees is what you're after), my favorite distortion pedal (probably of all-time) is the Maxon SM-9 Pro+ Super Metal distortion pedal. It's very versatile, and gets so many good tones.




    no, not going to happen with just overdriving the amp without a pedal
     
  10. neikeel

    neikeel Well-Known Member

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    If it is a stock 68-69 Superlead the best tones, in my opinion are obtained by plugging into channel 1 high input, with volume on 8, treble on 8, mids on 10, bass on 5 and presence on 6 (turn unused channel 2 up to 3-4).
    Use a good attenuator and plug into a G12H or V30 loaded B cab.
    You will get great heavy rock but modern metal will be tricky.
    Our 71 Superbass with 100uF Mains filtering, standard output section into a quad of Svetlana Winged C 6550s with standard tone stack but cascaded V1 does a good job when cranked.
    Main issue will be lack of low end. This can be addressed but would need modding as above.
    What pedals have you tried?
     
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    I think you need two Super Lead amps, (X2). ;) I think you need a specialist who can show you how to get your sound. I don't know the metal effects but you will know the sound when you hear it. I've bought a lot of "stuff" online that I never used. Perhaps you could travel to a shop where they could sell you some modern to go with your vintage. Make sure your amp is good to go and happy $hopping.
     
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    It's not possible unless the amp is modified.
    The Super Lead is a clean preamp, which overdrives output tubes. This will be a classic rock type tone.
    The amps more suited to metal are 2203 / 2204 or JCM 900.

    Distortion pedals: I guess if you like that transistor radio type fizz tone...the real sound is tube distortion, which pedals attempt to imitate.

    If you want to get deeper into it, go for a Bogner amp, etc...
     
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    67Mopar Well-Known Member

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    The plexi is not a high-gain amp. I don't know what type music you're into, but I recommend the GURUS 1959 Double Decker.

    For the love of Linda Blair's nipples, do not modify that amp.

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    pedecamp Well-Known Member

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    There are 2 guys here David Hopkins @NewReligion and Michael Audette @Michael RT who are quite capable of turning your super lead into a fire breathing dragon. Speak to both of them and see who can do what you like.
     
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    ampmadscientist Well-Known Member

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    Start the reactor... Free Mars!
    I would like to add (I just remembered)
    Marshall Mode 4 is one of the best metal amps I have ever played.
    It could go up against any other amp IMHO for metal.
    (the Mode 4 is a valvestate)

    Plus : grinds like a chainsaw on steroids. Built in effects.

    Minus: Needs maintenance of the pots / pots are cheap and fragile. Care must be used.
     
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    First off I would not want to molest a Treasure like a 68/69 10,000-12,000 series Plexi unless it has been modded beyond going back stock which I refer to as a "RESCUE AMP".

    I would recommend a simple non-evasive one wire mod in addition to a Type 3 Ken Fischer RIP (TrainWreck Amps) PPIMV. (No cutting wires involved at all. Just tap in.

    This will allow you to use both Master Volumes to fine tune tone.

    ONE WIRE MOD...
    Go to the VOLUME II pot....unsolder the wire in the center terminal of the pot wiper...then solder this wire to ground on the next pin on the same pot that is grounded.

    Take "One Wire" & solder it to the center wiper. Then take the other end of the wire & solder it to the junction (Where the resistors are joined) of the 68K (Green Gray Orange) input resistors of CHANNEL 1.

    Plug the guitar into channel II High.

    Channel (Loudness) 1 is now you Master & Channel 2 is your Gain.

    Add extra gain by using a 1/4" male jack with no cable attached to it plugged into Channel 1 Low. For even more plug it into High.

    I will add you may wish to add a Depth/Resonance Mod on a pot or fixed to the speaker out if there is no room left for a pot without drilling. Piece of Cake.

    There are other changes (Caps) to thicken up the tone if too thin. (Speaker and Cab can make a big difference. I use English Vintage 30's. I find this mod may limit some function of tone controls and Presence (NFB) but many guitarist love this modification.

    NO PEDALS FOR ME...♫

    Type 3 PPIMV Go to 12:50


    I can walk you through this if you like.

    For something different check out my additional mods below.

    Hope you find what you are looking for. Any interest email me at New_Religion@Live.com.

    I wish to add Michael RT does killer work!

    I do happen to have a 1996 Year; Model 1987X Re-Issue Plexi 50 watt model in pristine condition sitting here waiting for me to decide what to do with it lol.

    Here is my work plugged straight in on high Gain 4 stages all tube. This also has a 3 stage input. A Global Clipper that is out of the circuit until switched on connected to cathode follower. I can also add a clean foot switching channel with a Metropoulos Loop.

    David Hopkins...♫ a.k.a. New Religion



    2 Channel Pandora


    There are more video's to view at My YouTube Channel NEWRELIGION1954
    Jose



    In addition. I can provide you with a High Low Jose in addition to a 4 stage all tube Non Cathode design (Think Cameron, Bogner,)
    My Wraith Mod. I sent this to my friend Mark Cameron :)
     
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    Thanks for the referral. I just like sharing tone. Mike does great work as well. Killer in fact.

    David...♫
     
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    ......and if you decide you don't want your present amp, I'll take it off your hands for a crisp $20 bill.
     

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