Made In Japan Or Crafted In Japan?

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  1. BanditPanda

    BanditPanda Well-Known Member

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  2. KISS NATION

    KISS NATION Well-Known Member

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    Made by TJ Craft doesn't mean Crafted in Japan. The logo on the headstock clearly says made in Japan.
    IIRC TJ Craft was just the makers name.
     
  3. mickeydg5

    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Does the name really matter?
    The craftsmenship matters more.

    I have had Japan made guitars outdo most American mass made guitars. It is a sign of the times for now.
     
  4. ampmadscientist

    ampmadscientist Well-Known Member

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    Start the reactor... Free Mars!
    If it says "Crafted in Japan," I can assure you that it was made in Japan where un-told swans will sing their songs.
    but Seriously: If it has no swan inlays, it's the non-waterproof version.
     
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  5. RLW59

    RLW59 Well-Known Member

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    MIJ/CIJ is only a thing in regard to Fender Japan.

    Fujigen won the initial contract and requested if/when Fender used other contractors, they'd be labeled differently.

    So Fujigen Fenders are labeled "Made in Japan". Fenders made by Tokai, Dyna, Daita are labeled "Crafted In Japan".

    As far as collectability, age and model. Just about all of the earliest ones are Fujigen MIJ. Tokai became the main supplier around '97.

    For equivalent models, not much collector difference between an early '97 Fujigen MIJ and a late '97 Tokai CIJ.
     
  6. Madfinger

    Madfinger Well-Known Member

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    Also think up to 87ish or whenever Fender opened up in Mexico the MIJ was small print on the back of the neck near the heel. Then Fender made them put MIJ prominently on the headstock.
     
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    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    I will never buy a FENDER new or for any other reason either.
    uck you ender.
     
  8. SkyMonkey

    SkyMonkey Well-Known Member

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    Oh dear. My sardonic side may be a bit too subtle sometimes.
    @ampmadscientist has got the right idea.
    And no more playing in the bath then. Disappointing!
    Good job I shrink wrapped the Charvel.
     
  9. neikeel

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    My 90s Japanese strat is a keeper, but no longer collectable as it has Fender CS shop pickups, Kluson tuners, steel trem block, CTS pots an Oak-Grigsby 5way and a repro mint green p'guard. Perfect as a strat
     
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    Madfinger Well-Known Member

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    Cool Japanese crafted guitar. Korean tuners. Taiwanese pots. American pickups.
     
  11. junk notes

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    yeah uck that... you're right. MIJ sucks.
     
  12. neikeel

    neikeel Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the pots are Taiwanese (aren't they all now?) but pretty sure the Klusons are actually rebadged MIJ Gotoh and feel better than the ones that were on the guitar.
     
  13. mickeydg5

    mickeydg5 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Ah, ha ha.
    No Japanese does not suck. If I were to by Made In Japan it will not be Fender but rather Ibanez, ESP or something.
     
  14. Trelwheen

    Trelwheen Well-Known Member

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    So you gonna tell us why you ate Enders?

    And did it give you artburn?
     
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    I have a 1993 MIJ TL62 Tele ( not Squire ) came stock "& still is" with Gotoh tuners, Gotoh switch, Gotoh bridge, Alpha full size pots & from what I understand exact copies of alnico pups that Fender USA actually sent to Japan for them to copy & produce for their MIJ Fender Telecasters. The neck is great, setup great, frets dressed & set perfectly ( stainless steel?).
    Not sayin' it's better or worse than a MIA equivalent but I know spending 3-4 times more is not going to make me a better player.
     
  16. MickeyJ

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    i gots a 1987 MIJ strat and it has 'made in japan' in tiny letters on the front of the headstock, barely visible, the fender logo is silver and the guitar is k i l l e r sounding however I did put custom shop fender pickups in it.
     
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  18. BftGibson

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    been on a lawsuit quest for about a week. Played my friends 70's Greco LP Custom over the holidays..nice 10 lbs +,
     
  19. MarshallDog

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    Ummm...neither :shrug:
     
  20. SkyMonkey

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    So, a question about "stock".
    My MIJ Charvel Fusion came as I believe was stock, with the original Jackson J-200Rs and a J-90C.
    Didn't take to the Jacksons but have kept them stored.
    So swapped out the pickups, and the electrics whilst I was in there.

    Now I know that this MIJ Charvel is not a collectors piece, but for any collectable guitar, does a pickup swap followed by reinstallation lower value due to the loss of original wiring/pots/switch, even if they were defective?
    I can't believe original pots, etc. are a requisite for collectors.
     

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