Linear Vs Audio Pots For An Lp Rewire

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    pedecamp Well-Known Member

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    I read arguments online for linear, for audio, for mixing both. I'm rewiring my LP with 50's wiring and bumblebee caps, I need help deciding what pots to get.
     
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    This is the go. Audio 500k

    did it to my LP Traditional a few years back and never looked back.

    When I put the Superdistortion in at first it never sounded right with the standard 250k tone pot & modern wiring , changed to 500k audio with 50's wiring, i used orange drops and it is so much better and usable especially when rolling of the volume
     
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    pedecamp Well-Known Member

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    I gotta take my old pots out and measure the length, not sure if I need long or short shaft. Plus its a lefty guitar so I want to try and find reverse pots. Thanks!
     
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    Generally LP's require long shaft.

    I have been asking and experimenting with the same question...
    Definitely audio taper for the volume, but linear taper for the tone pots works too.

    (bumblebee caps are snake oil...)
     
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    Usually you need long shaft pots on later Les Pauls that have the pots mounted on a plate. The link I posted is for the short shaft pots for a guitar without a plate. Real Sprague BumbleBee or Black Beauty caps are not snake oil, by the way. I find them and put them in every guitar I own. But without the proper pickups, pots, wiring, etc it's going to be a waste of money. Either you do it all, or you don't get the full tonal benefit.
     
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    It's not a long shaft, it's a long bushing.
    [​IMG] Like that.
    Bumble Bee
    Well, different caps have a characteristic sound.
    I used to get real ones for 49 cents...surplus had boxes of them.
    These were real ones made in 1930s...for 49 cents.
    I really can't say if the reproduction is made like a real one.
     
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    The bumblebee will make me happy, not real ones though, reproduction from Emerson. I'd like to find 500K CTS long shaft reverse pots but cant find them, I did find Bourns on Mouser.com.
     
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    I prefer the linear pots for both the volume and tone controls on just about all electric guitars (it's just my preference for my specific needs).

    I've bought a few guitars loaded with audio pots that performed well enough that I never bothered to change them, but the day that any of the pots start failing, linear is going in there.

    Try them both out and see what works best for your needs.
     
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    I would think audio potentiometers would turn down slower, the audio curve you know, so I would go with that.
     
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    Exactly. For me, it gives better control of rolling the volume off to clean things up.
    For the tone controls, linear works just fine.

    Then again, different amps respond differently to different controls...
     
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    Linear pots act like on/off switches from my experience. You can't really get any variation of volume. I play through cranked marshalls though. Maybe if played through a clean amp, The change in volume would be more obvious with linear pots?
     
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    Pots in guitar are audio taper, pretty much always.
     
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    If you want an even spread of tone as you turn down tone control, audio is always much better.

    For volumes on an LP, linear may be best if you like to blend subtle mixes of two pickups, which gives you better control at high settings.

    If you use a lot of gain and need to take a lot if volume off to clean up, then audio is better, which gives better control of low range settings.

    My favorite volume taper on any guitar comes from using a standard audio pot (10% at mid turn), and applying a treble-bleed circuit (150k parallel with 1nF). This not only keeps the tone consistent but also changes the taper, about halfway towards being linear, 30% at mid turn. This gives a really nice smooth spread and good control across the whole range.
     
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    oh and...

    That last one with treble-bleed. I prefer it to 50's wiring, but they don't mix well, ie TB does not go well on 50's wiring
     
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    I'm excited about getting my guitar back tomorrow (getting some loose frets fixed) so I can pull it apart to figure out what I need to order! :yesway:

    I think I'm gonna go with 4 500K Bourns reverse audio pots (unless somebody can find me CTS) and 2 Emerson repro bumblebee caps a .022uf for the bridge and a .015uf for the neck.
     
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    I guess I'm the odd ball. I like linear taper on the volume and audio taper on the tone.
    Always 50's style wiring. I've been using Russian caps for a few years but have some Sprague
    Vitamin Q in my #1.
     
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    I use all NOS Bumblees in my LPSs just because and they sound great. They sound so right compared to the orange drop or regular caps Gibson puts in them.
     
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    Doesn’t 50s wiring make a guitar sound bright and thin compare to modern wiring? Everything I read mentions it does and if this is true, there’s no way I would want my guitars brighter. I run the bridge tone at 5-6 as is with modern wiring.
     

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